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But it is all powerful like the MMA. They are not going to allow their base to be reduced. You watch!

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[quote="Bruce Libby"] Regionalization is not the total answer and is surely not the best when it comes from state level.
If this occurs it should be by local decieson.[/quote]With this I agree 100%. The last thing we need is more state control! Mandates from the state cost us far more that a 60-80 thousand dollar a year superintendent, and that cost won't be eliminated, maybe not even reduced.

I don't know why anyone would trust anything in the hands of the current governor and his administration, he's already shown us what he can do. Holy, the schools are one of the few things he hasn't totally screwed up yet.

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I'm not sure if the first thing you do is go after local control...I don't get this plan.

They are just drawing bigger boxes.

What happens if you live in region 15, but go to school in region 12. Kids that go to high school in Lincoln County are split in to 3 different regions for some of the schools.

Anyway, this is the solution to a problem that has yet to be defined. G38 gets credit for moving it front and center--but it just needs so much work. I like the bigger class size provision. But once the dems understand that it means fewer teachers.......

Unless someone in the Legislative Branch grabs on to this--it will die under it's own weight.

Of course, as long as we have a government that refuses to live within its means--the only choice is to manage our demise--which is what this plan does.

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[quote="Kris Watson"]The last thing we need is more state control! Mandates from the state cost us far more that a 60-80 thousand dollar a year superintendent, and that cost won't be eliminated, maybe not even reduced. [/quote]

The claim that "mandates" drive local budgets is largely a myth. Ask a local official what they would eliminate if not for a mandate. They won't be able to come up with much.

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Mary was onto something several posts back, she mentioned that she doesn't trust Baldacci.

Smart to not trust the untrustworthy.

How many lies must he tell?

How many cockamaimey plans does he have to propose?

Before people just get so disgusted in their government.

Question everything the liar says.

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Dan, I'm not necessarily refering to only local budgets. The money has to come from somewhere, I'm assuming that would be "we the people".

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The quickest way to reduce educational expenses and burden to the system would be to cut the Augusta bureaucracy by 2/3 and the unfunded mandates to local schools by 90%. That would be a good first step. Local schools have huge administrative burdens, most of which have no direct benefit to students. Don't wait five years to evaluate the results. Wait five months and then cut some more where further demonstrated opportunities occur. If Augusta gets out of the way we'll see a quantum leap in student poerformance.

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I am stuck on this one...

Do we actually know the real savings...This scares me...truly..Espically with the people we have in charange in Augusta...They are not acting in the best interest of the Students..I don't think is the answer to that...

I give the plan aa D+ only for being creative and bold...

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GOP....its not even his plan. So is that D+ for Gov. or for the group that came up with it?

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It sounds like it is his plan...At least thats what I get from him saying things...

TM what do you think of it??

Do Super's have a union?
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In answer to this I think they actually do have one that represents thier interests...

http//www.msmaweb.com/mssa.htm

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I'd like to know how the finances will work within these regions.

Look at Region 23.
I can see property tax money flowing out of Falmouth, Cape, Cumberland and Yarmouth and into Portland, SP, and GNG.
Then I see students flowing out of Falmouth, Cape, Cumberland and Yarmouth and into NYA and Waynflete (private).

Yarmouth for example has opted to emphasize Advanced Placement courses in its high school curriculum and budgeting.
Will Region 23 tolerate that when Portland needs money for ESL and Gray needs help lifting student achivement?

It's conceivable funding to the high achieving schools will be sacrificed to lift the others.

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In New Hampshire, K-12 is funded (95%) by local property taxes. That insures that the local populace controls the schools and they get the schools they want.

Why is Maine making this so complicated?

In Maine, our model is: Send plenty of our money to Augusta and they send some back.

In NH, the model is: Keep our money home and send very little to Concord.

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[quote="Bob Stone"]In New Hampshire, K-12 is funded (95%) by local property taxes. That insures that the local populace controls the schools and they get the schools they want.

Why is Maine making this so complicated?[/quote]Yes, but their property taxes are bloated as compared to Maine because they have no sales or income tax.

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Kris...

That is a myth.

Bob

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What, that their property taxes are higher?

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"It's conceivable funding to the high achieving schools will be sacrificed to lift the others."

This is the (unintended?) consequence of many government programs/mandates--aim for the lowest common denominator.

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Read the fine print and you'll see that Gendron wants to put a principal in every building. There's where the cost increase lies. Most principals have assistant principals and each has a secretary or two. Look for many rural schools to close which was Angus King's first priority 12 years ago. Maybe it's time for Unorganized Territories United to become active again. They defeated that bad idea 12 years ago. [/u]

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One of my daughters lives in Farmington, NH. Quaint town, great schools.

Here is the mil rate breakdown of their property tax:

6.32 for town business

6.35 for local schools

2.33 for state schools

2.05 for the county

Overall mil rate = 17.05

No sales tax, no state income tax, lower health insurance premiums, lower excise taxes. How do they do it? They run things locally. They also have a healthy mix of business and residental.

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[ Look for many rural schools to close which was Angus King's first priority 12 years ago. Maybe it's time for Unorganized Territories United to become active again. They defeated that bad idea 12 years ago. [/u][/quote]

I've been told that the average cost of educating a child in maine K-12 is $7,000 per year.

I was told by the bureau of taxation unorganized township division that in th UT the bill for education is $12,000,000.
For 1200 kids - easy math....$10,000 per kid.

Surely you would agree that something has to be done about this?

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Mill rate is lower than here but assessed values for simular properties are much higher.

Also do they get a homestead exemption? That would essentialy lower our mill rate.

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I looked at this last night. The point is to consolidate admin not schools. They will keep most schools still open. So logically they should be somewhat based on population.

Aroostook county 4 districts
Androscoggin 1 district
York 2 districts

Funny that Lewiston and Auburn would be put into the same district, but Caribou and Presque Isle would be kept as 2 seperate.

Looks like this plan has purchased a strong supporter in the Senate.

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"I've been told that the average cost of educating a child in maine K-12 is $7,000 per year. "

That is what economists call the marginal cost or the cost of one more kid in a district. It ignores many things. Augusts wants us to think education is a bargain. It is very necessary, but no bargain. Take your local or SAD budget, the entire bottom line, and divide by the number of students. That number will be between $10,000 and $12,000 for most districts. You can send your kid to the University of Maine cheaper than you can send his kid brother to the local junior high.

This latest boondoggle out of Augusta is going to be a boon to private schools in Maine. Just think about it. One town has no mortgage on school buildings. They run an efficient system. The neighboring district is drowning in debt, has a big new school they don't need and will be very happy to have the new megadistrict take over their debt. Do G38 and Gendron think this scenario will really fly?

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[quote]Region #23: Portland
New Gloucester, Pownal, Gray, North Yarmouth, Cumberland, Falmouth, Portland, South Portland, Cape Elizabeth, Long Island, Yarmouth, Chebeague Island.

Region #24: Westbrook
Standish, Windham, Limington, Westbrook, Gorham, Buxton, Hollis, Scarborough, Frye Island. [/quote]

Talk about gerrymandering.

Those are not geographically what would make sense. If they were going to do this, N-GL should be in a lakes reigon or Aurburn district.

One region should be Scarb to Falmouth (or Yarmouth), inc Westbrook. The rest on the list should be in other distrcts.

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Chebeague Island doesn't even have a school district yet...what are they supposed to do?

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Start a private school and home school.

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The whole thing should not even be a state issue. Let the locals run their schools. If they want to combine districts, let them.

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Here is a good list of educational myths:

http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=26346

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[quote="Kris Watson"]The whole thing should not even be a state issue. Let the locals run their schools. If they want to combine districts, let them.[/quote]

Sure, but in the process the locals must say no to state money.
As long as we're demanding the state pay 55% of local education costs, they get to make cost-saving demands of the locals.

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[quote="mainemom"][quote="Kris Watson"]The whole thing should not even be a state issue. Let the locals run their schools. If they want to combine districts, let them.[/quote]

Sure, but in the process the locals must say no to state money.
As long as we're demanding the state pay 55% of local education costs, they get to make cost-saving demands of the locals.[/quote]

Sure, if the state drops all its mandates.

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The real challege will not come in consolidating school systems. The fur will really start to fly when it comes time to merge bargaining units, i.e. teacher's unions

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