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If anyone is interested, here is a factsheet from the CDC about second-hand smoke

[url=http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/Factsheets/SecondhandSmoke.ht... of Second-hand Smoke[/url]

"Each year in the United States, secondhand smoke exposure is responsible for 150,000–300,000 new cases of bronchitis and pneumonia in children aged less than 18 months. This results in 7,500–15,000 hospitalizations, annually."

Coming out of a hospital parking lot the other day, the car in front of me contained four adults, all puffing away, and a little boy. The little guy was not only breathing all that smoke in, he was squished up against the door with no car seat in sight.

It's beyond me how anyone can even afford to smoke these days, let alone people who have child-related expenses. I guess if you cut back on things like child car seats it frees up money for butts. And if you are covered by Mainecare that's even better, no paying doctors out-of-pocket when your kid develops smoke-related illnesses.

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[quote="Dan Billings"]No, this is a good example why local government is so dangerous to freedom. This law would have had a hard time passing at a state or regional level if it had never been in place anywhere. It passed at the local level and now it supporters are using the experience to impose it on everyone.[/quote]

Thanks for giving me such a good laugh this morning Dan. Smoking bans in cars is nothing new. It is being considered at all levels, from the City of Bangor, ME, to the state of Connecticut to South Australia! :lol:

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no-ONE PROMOTES SMOKING IN FRONT OF CHILDREN

However listening to many here and the left-wing moon bats ,I think Maine may bring back the death penalty ...................
and start juicing up smokers after all they are the lowest form of life on this earth ..................
Always seems funny to me no one complains half as much about Americas overweight children ................Those must be good parents feeding their children well and sending them off to hours of PlayStation .

:roll:

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[quote="Town Manager"]Thanks for giving me such a good laugh this morning Dan. Smoking bans in cars is nothing new. It is being considered at all levels, from the City of Bangor, ME, to the state of Connecticut to South Australia! :lol:[/quote]

Has it passed as a statewide law anywhere?

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That's a good question. The BDN article had this to say:

[quote]City Councilor Patricia Blanchette, who is also a Democratic state representative, confirmed Thursday that she has submitted preliminary legislation to [u]make Maine one of the first states [/u]to make it illegal to smoke in any vehicle when minors are present.[/quote]

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A quick search shows that it is law in Arkansas and Louisiania, two states that are paragons of gopd government. :D

In this case, the proposal would have little chance of passing if not for it being on the books in Bangor. Maine's plethora of governments gives liberals lots of opportunity to push their freedom stealing ideas and they are very effective at starting at the local level and working incrementally for their ultimate goal. Smoking bans in restaurants and bars and gay rights are two examples of where passage of local ordiances played a big part in ultimately passing statewide laws.

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I think the TABOR 2 folks should think about getting it on the books in some locals before trying to pass statewide. That said, TABOR 2 is so watered down the implications on local government are almost non existent.

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Unless a town has a charter, there is no way to impose enforceable spending controls on a municipality at the local level. The local legislative body can override any ordinance.

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I didn't say ALL towns. Just a few. Those with Charters would be a great place to start.

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That is also very difficult. The Town's would likely argue that such a change would require a charter commission. Once a commission is created, there is not way to guarrantee such a proposal would be included.

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Wellllll.... at first glance, Arkansas and Louisiana have less-than-stellar school ratings and educational test scores, so I think we can assume an immediate correlation between lousy student performance and the ban on parental smoking in cars.
Right?
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According to US Census poverty figures [url=http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/poverty06/stategrid.xls]poverty percentages by state[/url] Arkansas ranks 8th highest in poverty levels and Louisiana ranks 3rd in the nation. I wonder, therefore, if those states have a correspondingly high percentage of people receiving taxpayer-based healthcare. Maybe citizens there are trying to keep poor children healthier and thus save some money. Just a thought.

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Lucky, kaiser Family Foundation would be able to answer your question on their web site....google it. Maine is #1 for percentage of citizens on government health care last I checked.

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Thanks David, this site is very informative. I found here [url=http://www.statehealthfacts.org/comparemaptable.jsp?ind=223&cat=4&yr=12&... Financed by Medicaid as a Percent of Total Births[/url] that Arkansas is 46th and Louisiana is 49th in the nation for children born into the welfare system. This information is from 2002, but I think it is relevant as to the time it took for consideration and enactment of smoking laws in these states.

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So then it a appears that it isn't because the states have a high child/welfare rate that they enacted their laws! It's probably because they have too much local government.

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Angler, the higher the number the [u]more[/u] low-income people having babies. New Hampshire leads as the state with the least births financed by Medicaid - they are 1st on the table. New Mexico is 50th with the most Medicaid-funded births.

So actually Arkansas and Lousiana do have a large population of children born into poverty.

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:oops: Thanks Lucky. Had I taken the time to look at the link I'd have had a chance :oops:
What an amazing tour to take around the US with those numbers!

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Not at all, ak :D The way it is set up IS confusing.

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