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First, to anyone interested in this subject, there is a helpful (to me at least) website about to close, due to the owner's health. It's called [url=http://www.surplusrifle.com/]surplusrifle.com[/url] and the owner is offering the entire contents of the site on two CDs for five bucks each. These will be in my stocking - I hope.

Secondly, the boys and I are pretty much just starting in this area of interest, reading various publications and gathering websites for future reference. We have an Enfield No 5 Mk 1, and are probably going to add a No 4 or so soon. We are also interested in Mausers, particularly the Swiss model 96 or 38 in 6.5x55. Actually, we're interested in everything, but we're just learning and hope to narrow our focus. We've done a CMP shoot and I've sent for and recieved my C&R license.

I'd be interested in conversing with "milsurp" collectors and maybe getting some opinions on models and dealers. Thanks in advance.

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I'm into old milsurp rifles in a big way. I prefer 98k Mausers ( and derivatives) as well as Finnish Mosin-Nagants. I know it's probably quite a long haul for you, but Maine Military Supply in Brewer usually has a pretty decent selection of both firearms and surplus ammo. Cheap fun, and it's pretty interesting trying different types of military ammo. Just make sure to clean your weapons real well afterwards, as most of the surplus ammo on the market has corrosive primers.

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Larry - we range up that way once in a while - usually hop over there after eating at the Weathervane across the street. They're in Newport, too. You've had good experiences with them?

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Knucklehead, about the most major purchase I've ever made there was a case of ammo, but I've got several friends who have purchased firearms there and have been happy. I've bought all sorts of other odds and ends there ranging from socks to paint, I've never been disappointed and have found them nice to do business with. Most of my own firearms I've bought through local (Machias area) dealers. Van Raymonds on S. Main street in Brewer usually has a nice milsurp or two on the rack, they're good folks too. I really should get a C&R, just haven't gotten around to it.

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Hey Knuck - your new neighbor has been a C&R for years; we've gotta get together!

You were right about Monmouth F&G Club - it is about walking distance from here, and I've been meaning to get ahold of someone to join. They only have about a 75 yd. rifle range, but that's better than nothing.

What you want to do is send a signed copy of your C&R FFL to the major distributors like -

AIM Surplus: http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/AIM_Rifles_1.html

Century Arms: http://www.centuryarms.com/

Samco: http://www.samcoglobal.com/

SOG: http://www.southernohiogun.com/

for starts.

They will put you on their mailing list for catalogs, sale flyers etc. and put your FFL on file so that you can order over the phone etc. without having to send a copy for every purchase.

Once you are on file with Century, they will give you access to their "Dealers Only" web page, which is pretty interesting, and send you regular e-mail notices of special buys, monthly specials etc..

They have "U-Fix-Em's" on occasion that are kind of a mystery grab bag - I got a Mosin-Nagant M-44 rifle once for about $36 and all it needed was a buttplate screw, a stock bolt nut, and a good cleaning. But you can get junk, too; one never knows. If you like to tinker as I do, there are deals to be had.

One of my favorite C&R forums on line is Gunboards:

http://militaria.gunboards.com/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=47

where i post under the same name as i use here.

The best deals out there right now continue to be the Yugo 59/66 SKS - an ungainly looking thing with all that grenade launching stuff, but well made little rifles for the price (utility grade currently around $130) and the Czech CZ-52 pistol in 7.62 X 25mm which used to be under $100 for a while (I got several) and now is still a deal around $135.

Of course the tons of re-arsenalled Mosin Nagants that were found stashed in the salt mines of Russia since shortly after WW-II are still going for around $70 each - more if you want a laminated stock. Clunky darn things, but they usually work unless you get one with an oblong chamber. The better condition ones can be darned accurate, too. For shooting the Swiss versions are usually better, but running in the $350 price range - again if you can find one.

Also from Russia come the K-98 Mausers that they captured off of the Huns in WW-II and re-arsenalled, scrubbing most if not all of the Wermacht markings. They are not prime "collectors" as such but decent shooters for under $200 in most instances. The more Waffenampts, swastikas etc. left on them the higher the price.

There seem to be a few of the straight-pull Scandinavian T-38s around, but they take an oddball round.

Those Swedes are nice - I picked one up for around $50 about 15 years ago, and after not having shot it for over 5 let a buddy have it for $150 as he was lusting after and bugging me about it. That afternoon he took it to a gun shop and a guy who met him walking in with it bought it for $180 cash, happy as hell. If you can score a decent one for under $300 now you will be doing well. Even the M-38s have pretty much dried up. If you find one of the little M-94 or 94/15 (with the bayo lug) carbines for under $500, GRAB it!

That 6.5X55mm is a sweet little ctg.; my second favorite after the 7X57mm Mauser. Fairly flat shooting, low recoil, inherently accurate, and penetrates like an icepick.

If you can afford it, your C&R also qualifies you for a CMP (formerly DCM) milsurp M-1 Garand.

A subscription to the Shotgun News or Gun List will keep you pretty well informed as to what's up in the milsurp market. Every now and then the Importers will come up with a cache of guns somewhere - although it does not happen all that much any more.

With the Dem takeover of the Congress, you might want to stock up on C&Rs while you can, as import and sales of them could conceivably be puckering up tightly after the January power shift. I expect significant restrictions coming for all FFLs, including C&Rs. They may well revoke them entirely, given Ted Kennedy and Nan Pelosi's proclivity for civilian disarmament and the power that they will soon wield. They didn't say much about "gun control" during the election, but I expect it to come slithering back out of their bag of slimy tricks big time as soon as they take over.

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What's a C&R?

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Curio and Relic. Those who collect them are sometimes nearly as odd as the firearms themselves. But, they're relatively harmless compared to those guys who are into real mankillers, like Bigshooter. :wink:

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If you want to collect milsurp arms, definitely look into getting a C&R licence. They are issued by the ATF, and are petty easy to get, they allow most guns over 50 years old to be shipped right to you, rather than going through a local transfer agent, who try to discourage you from buying from the out of state vendors, and so charge as much as $50 for handing the transfer.

I have found that many local gun dealers are just plain greedy, some are asking 50% over the published price for guns and even are selling new guns for[b] more [/b]than manufacturer's retail price. When I first started collecting guns I got burned a few times by these guys, but now shop carefully, and can usually find the same gun for as much as half of what the local dealers are asking. But dealing with auctions and mail order has its own set of risks.

Start off with a Mosin Nagant, I have a couple of those and I love them. I was amazed to find that I can hit clay pigeons, about 4 inches in diameter, at 100 meters with open sights on the thing. You can get a case of ammo, 880 rounds, for about $80 delivered, that is more than you will shoot in a long time. (You won't ant to shoot more than 50 rounds at a sitting with that gun anyway, unless an orthopedic shoulder replacement is your idea of fun) Learn about cleaning guns after shooting milsurp ammo, many military primers are corrosive, and require that the guns be cleaned a special way right after shooting.

And it is not just collecting the guns, most milsurp collectors insist on correct bayonets, slings, stripper clips and ammo pouches. It's all the fun of collecting. With the fall of the Soviet Union it was possible for years to get Soviet uniforms and gear dirt cheap, but even that is drying up. I would love to have a Mosin shoot in full WWII Russian garb - and some folks will do stuff like that. (I don't like the idea of Nazi garb, but there is a market for that stuff, too.)

Have fun and safe shooting!

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C&R FFL

It's essentially a Federal Firearms License for those of us who don't intend to make a living selling guns, but who like to collect / tinker with / shoot older or collectable guns. The BAFE has a big "green book" for licencees listing all of the guns that a "Curio and Relic" licnese holder can order or buy directly without having to go through a regular Dealer or the NCIC "instant background check" process. Most military guns (not including select fire or full auto) over 50 years old qualify, in their original military configuration. "Sporterized" military surplus guns (fondly refered to as "milsurps" by those of us in the business) do not cut it; they have to go via a Dealer, to whom you usually have to pay a handling fee of around $30 for thier time in making out the paperwork and running your NCIC check (to make sure you're not a felon, terrorist or lunatic) for the transfer.

Some exceptions are for M-1 Garands and carbines, through the Korean War era, which you can often get via the Government "Civilian Marksmanship Program" .

http://www.odcmp.com/

Also covered are specialty commemorative or collectable guns, as listed in the green book.

You can buy an original 1873 Colt "Peacemaker" revolver or Sharps carbine, for instance, but to order or buy a replica of the same gun you have to go through a dealer just as if it were a semi auto AK-47. Go figure.

But it's kind of neat to order Enfields, Mosins, Mausers, SKSs, CZ-52s, P-38s and such at the same price as your Dealer pays for them, and have UPS deliver them to your door.

Then you will get to know all about the thick, blackish brown, sticky, gooey "COSMOLINE" preservative grease and the joys of cleaning it off and out of an old gun where it has resided for around 60 years.
Hint; wear your old clothes and DON"T do it in your Wife's kitchen!!! :o

You can request an application from the BATFE - http://www.atf.treas.gov/

Or online @: http://www.ustreas.gov/treasury/bureaus/atf/firearms.html

Make it out and send it in with a fee of about $30.
It takes a few months to clear, but when your license arrives it is good for 3 years.
In order to buy a qualified gun, you provide the seller with a signed COPY of the license.

At a gun show or shop, it will save you the bother of the NCIC check and making out the forms, and some dealers will give FFL holders - including C&R - a discount. It dosen't hurt to ask, anyway, as it is more convenient for the dealer as well as the C&R holder.

One thing you have to do is maintain a "bound book" for an "Aquisition and Disposition Record", where you log in any C&R weapon you obtain on your FFL, and if you sell one off, you have to record who bought it along with ID info such as tel. and Driver's Lic. no.s. Technically, the BATFE Agents can come and inspect your premises a couple of times a year to make sure that your records are up to snuff and that you can account for your collection.
In the approx. 15 years that I've had a C&R I have never seen or heard from an Agent, and have heard of very few who have. As long as you keep your nose clean and your books up, you have nothing to worry about.

You can download printable pages for a "A&D" book @:

http://www.shelfspace.com/~c-r-ffl/files/atf.xls

Every now and then a C&R licencee will go selling off guns like SKSs and CZ-52s (pretty potent, semi automatic military weapons) from Uncle Henry's or the back of his pickup in a parking lot to anybody who can come up with the cash - usually about double what the shady C&R paid for them. Needless to say, that gives all of us a bad rep, especially if one of his "customers" commits a crime with a C&R gun - and the feds naturally take a dim view of it as well. If any of us catch a fellow C&R engaging in this sort of behavior, there is a good chance that we will turn him in ourselves. If we want or hope to keep this sweet deal, we have to police our own.

The dude who was pulling such an operation in Lisbon Falls some time ago got stung and busted for it by the BATFE shortly after I saw his ad for SKSs and CZs in UH's, by some strange coincidence. I don't know what happened to him in court, but I rather doubt that he will be dealing in firearms - or at least better not get caught trying - for quite some time. As a felon, he may have lost his rights to even posess one for the rest of his life.
But considering that what he was doing could have gotten someone (probably a Wife/Girlfriend and/or Cop) killed, then good 'nuff for him IMHO.

If and when I sell off one of my C&Rs, I do so only to someone I know and trust or a dealer, or a Police Officer who I'm at least familiar with. That and as far as I can tell, as long as you don't sell a LOT of them or make significant profit doing it, you won't likely get nailed for "Dealing" which we are not supposed to be doing on a C&R.
I might sell 2 or 3 a year at the most, and I know other C&Rs sell / trade significantly more than that and don't get in trouble over it. What you want to avoid is "straw purchaces" where you buy a gun on your license for someone else who is not supposed to have a gun for whatever reason. They will nail you for that - but as long as we don't go nuts and keep it reasonable, the BATFE is pretty good about leaving us alone.

For more info on a C&R FFL, go to : http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting2006/cnrfaq/index3.asp

But hurry up; this site is going down in March.

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"Unk" - 'been waiting for you to show up, kinda watching your profile when I see you post, but it still says Yarmouth! Welcome to the neighborhood -we should compare notes soon.

Tom - We've been wondering about the Mosins, and Mausers, and, and, and...the hardest part is where to start. A half dozen of each sounds about right. Of course, now every time we watch a movie featuring any of these weapons, the old pause and zoom gets a pretty good workout.

There was a guy a few years ago that had a big article in the Kennebec Urinal - he was a collector/historian, and lived in Manchester - anyone remember him?

Also, would anyone be interested in a little field trip to the [url=http://www.me.ngb.army.mil/About%20Us/History/Museum.htm]Maine Military Historical Society Museum[/url]? I've been thinking about giving them a call and scheduling a tour.

All these links should keep me busy for a while, especially since each of them have more links.

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There have been AMG luncheons, has there ever been an AMG shoot?

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You know, Larry, you're a mind reader.

I was thinking something private at first, small numbers so we could get to know each other: safety, range rules, etc.. Then see where it goes.

I'm very game for a shoot - especially if I get to "try out" a milsurp or six before purchasing. I'll gladly kick in on ammo.

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How about a Maastricht 1878, 11 mm?

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Knucklehead, PM me if you're interested in discussing some possible sites/dates. I'm game.

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I wonder if one of the ranges around here would open it up for a public milsurp shoot. I'd take out anything from a Brown Bess replica to an AR-15.

Also, black powder guns (real black powder guns, not this saboted centerfire Pyrodex pretend black powder) are a LOT of fun. Let me know if you have a shoot.

BTW guns from before 1899 are classified as "antiques" and not restricted as to transfer, except to felons or underaged. Thsoe can be bought, sold and transerred freely. The same with black powder guns, even modern replicas.

Watch "Enemy at the Gates" and then spend $60 on a Mosin. You'll be hooked.

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Threefers....

Century occasionally has specials on batches of milsurps;

like 3 mosins for $198 or something, or 5 Mausers "good with cracked stock" (which could be a cracked handguard, or could be the whole butt stock busted off) for $475 something. We call these "threefers" etc.., and if you like to tinker, between the parts of 4 or 5 rifles you generally can come up with one or two pretty good ones.

When the really good deals come along, like when the CZ-52s were going for around $87 with a holster and 2 mags, a cleaning rod and lanyard, it's tempting to go nuts and lay in a stash of them for a rainy day. I got several but some guys really went nuts. It's a majorly fun pistol to shoot, and for that price probably the best handgun deal going.
The .30 Tok round is a little hottie; 90 gr. bullet going around 1700 FPS / 550 FtLbs of ME. Spectacular fireball at the muzzle, and it gets people's attention at the range!

I've been out shooting with Ted Libby who occasionally posts on AMG (Write in Candidate for Senate during the Primarys) and some of his buds at the West Gardner club, and I think that an AMG casual shoot would be jolly good fun.

I'd reccomend somebody with the club where we shoot be a RSO (Range Safety Officer) in charge, to make sure everybody shoots safe and knows how to handle whatever they want to try out. I can think of a couple of AMG regulars who probably qualify quite well for that position.

If anyone is a dealer, perhaps they could arrange to bring ammo to sell to those who want to try more than a couple of rounds. Those SKSs can go through a lot of ammo pretty fast. They might even have a couple of milsurps for sale to qualified buyers.
I might even have a Yugo SKS that I might be talked out of if the price was right and I knew it was going to a good home. :wink:

snow; a "Maastricht", you say?

Geszundheidt! :P

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Battle of the Bulge Rifle Match

There will be a "Battle of the Bulge" rifle match at the Scarborough Fish & Game Association Range (near Beech Ridge Speedway off of Paine Rd. ) on Dec. 16; all WW-II vintage rifles.

Open to the public. If you don't have a period rifle, chances are that the club or a Member can loan you an M-1 Garand... assuming that you know how to use one. They'll sell you milsurp DCM ammo (.30-06 and 8mm) cheap, too if you need it.

A really fun shoot; a lot of guys show up in the full WW-II uniform and regalia. US GIs, Brits, even a Kraut or two with his K-98. Sometimes a restored vehicle will be there, and they often display gear and assorted militaria in the clubhouse.

Even if you don't shoot, it's fun to watch. Bring hearing protection of some sort. May want to take some pictures, too.

For details see: http://www.scarfg.org/rifle.htm

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Hmmm, mon uncle, I was thinking about getting a good SKS, the one I have suffers from the dreaded Yugoslovian Gas Port Leakitis, and doesn't always cycle. Very frustrating, I was thinking about investing in a better one.

I wonder if I still fit into my gymnesterka and valenki, it might be fun to represent Rodina at the Scarbourough shoot.

That is if some of the cold warriors don't mistaking me for Ivan coming across the East German border and start taking pops at me with their Garands and M-14s.

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Rodina Who???

Is that a PLACE? Never heard of it.

And I sure never heard of Rodina participating in the Battle of the Buldge.

For that matter, I don't think that any Russian forces were involved either, although I'm no expert on WW-II History.

SF&G has several similar "theme" matches, including a "Mauser Match" and a VietNam era one, where you can use your M-1A, AR-15, AKM, SKS, Mosin or anything used during that conflict - which covers a vast assortment of weapons.

That website i linked to has contact info to the gentlemen in charge of riflery.

I might take your leaky SKS in partial trade, as there are a few things one can do to at least temporarily fix that.
The problem is usually between the rotating gas cutoff cup and the cylender/ gas tube.
Some fellows rig up a gasket of sorts that lasts a few hundred rounds or so before needing replacement, others make up a slightly longer cup machined to fit tightly or replace the tube.

If you peruse the SKS forum at gunboards.com , you might find an article about it.

[url=http://www.gunboards.com/forums/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=11]AK/SKS Board[/url]

I could always use a spare trigger group and bolt to send off for modification / upgrade.

Two of my spare Yugos have never been fired outside of the Yugo Armory for test and zeroing as far as I can tell; I de-cosmoed one of them so it would be ready to test fire if anyone is interested in it. They are both in primo condition.

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I've got a collection of Moisin-Nagant rifles. They are rugged, not too pretty, and reliable. I have a 91, 91/30, 44, 25, 38, 53, and another I don't recall the model number of. Some are Finish, some Russian. I have twenty rounds made by Remington before WW1. Someday I will get the two model 91s made in the US.

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Ah, Mosin!

I've fired my Polish M-44 a few times before I misplaced the bolt for it.
It's probably around someplace, and I expect it to turn up eventually.
those carbines certainly are little kickers!

IIRC the American contract Mosins were made by Remington, weren't they?
The Russians backed out of the contract after the revolution, leaving Remington stuck with a lot of 'em.

Apparently they were used for drill & training by US Recruits going in to WW-I.

I'll keep an eye out for one for ya. They still turn up occasionally.

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Twice I tried to put together an AMG shoot. Haven't yet been successful but I'm still interested.

skf

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Seasonal Issues

It's pretty dicey trying to schedule this sort of thing in the Winter; you never know if it's going to be sunny and in the 40s or a howling wind-whipped freezing rain, or a blizzard, or -30 below zero.

If we do it we'll have to scout a couple of potential range sites, then when the weather looks promising for an upcoming weekend a couple of days in advance, put the word out and catch as many as can make it on short notice.

April and May can be rainy and muddy - perhaps around March we ought to start pulling together an event some time in June?

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Re: Ah, Mosin!

[quote="UncleJaque"]IIRC the American contract Mosins were made by Remington, weren't they?
The Russians backed out of the contract after the revolution, leaving Remington stuck with a lot of 'em.

Apparently they were used for drill & training by US Recruits going in to WW-I. [/quote]

The American Mosin's were also made by Westinghouse, all of them dated 1915. I inherited my father's Westinghouse with a sporterized stock but all original action. I still remember him picking off a woodchuck with this old cannon from over 200 yards with open sights.

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I've been thinking of getting a Lee Enfield SMLE myself... something from the WWI era (probably made in India where they adopted that model over the No. 4 for decades). Anyone know what ammo would probably be cheaper... .303 or NATO? The #1 Mk III comes in 2 calibers, I'm told

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Well, then, I would definitely be interested in trading-up my SKS, uncle, if the price were reasonable to both of us.

You are correct, I can't think of any Russians at the Battle of the Bulge, so now I am left with a dilemma... Would I take my shot-out old Lee Enfield? Or that CMP Garand? Perhaps the commercial M-1 carbine? Or the K-98? Hmmm.. I haven't zeroed in my Springfield 1903, but I wonder if any of those were at Bastogne? Should I take a pistol or two? A milspec 1911 and Enfield revolver?

Too many choices!

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jbrowher - There are scads of various models, modifications, and types of the famous "Enfield" - they make a facinating study or collection all by themselves.

The most reknown model commonly associated with WW-I with it's "bullnosed" muzzle cap / bayonet lug is the No. 1 Mark III . They were used through WW-II by the Brits, and until recently in India and other outlying provences.
They still show up in the hands of various rowdies from the middle east to Africa.

The No. 4 Mk. I is an improved version, with a slightly heavier barrel, rear sight mounted on the reciever bridge instead of about halfway up the barrel, and a different bayo mounting system.

Nearly all of the Enfield "SMLE" (Short Model Lee Enfield) rifles were chambered in .303 British, a bottlenecked, rimmed cartridge originally loaded with "cordite" smokeless powder, which looks like strands of uncooked spaghetti.

In the early 1960s, Ishapore Arsenal in India made up some 2A rifles on the old SMLE pattern in 7.62 X 51mm NATO (similar to the .308) using more modern steels in the reciever to handle the pressure.

There were also some .22 rimfire conversions made for competition and training, but these are scarce.

AIM recently had a batch of 2As in, but I can't find my flyer at the moment and don't know if they have any left.
They were going for around $165 IIRC.
See http://www.gunboards.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=196954
(You will find lots of other Enfield info on that board as well.)

Enfields are not the strongest or most accurate rifles ever made, but they are rugged, reliable, and known for their slick, fast bolt action. The .303 is plenty adequate for hunting mid sized game such as deer - ballistically about on par with the old .30-40 Krag... somewhere between a .30-30 and a .308, I suppose. The Canadians have bagged plenty of deer, moose, and elk with them, and it will work if you know what you're doing and don't expect it to be an elephant gun.

Enfields can be converted to fire the old .45-70 round, which makes an excellent "brush gun". With a 500 grain slug, the .45-70 is a real bruiser within its effective range of around 300 yards, if you know it's rainbow trajectory.

Tom; The BOTB match is more of a fun / social shoot than a serious competition per se, so don't sweat the fine points.
Bring a bunch of rifles and see how they do.
Any handguns are strictly for window dressing as part of a uniform - as far as I know they don't fire any of them during the match. But I know some of the guys have them in holsters as part of their kit.
Some of the Brit Reenactors would probably like to see your Enfield, and the GIs are always comparing vintage .45s.

If you go, take some pics and post 'em here to share if you can.
I think you'll have a lot of fun!

Tom C
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Collecting & Shooting Surplus Military Firearms

Here's my SKS at the surplusrifle postal match with crappy Golden Tiger ammo (bottom of the page, top half of the scores as "Tom C"):

http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting2006/postal/13results.asp

147 out of 150 - not bad for this novice shooter. It's a good gun, just needs a little know-how to get it working smoothly again. It has some wear, but it is not a junk gun.

I'll zero in some of my other guns and see if I can make it out that day. It sounds like a blast.

UncleJaque
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Finn Mosins on Sale, FYI

[quote="LarryB"]I'm into old milsurp rifles in a big way. ...as well as Finnish Mosin-Nagants. ....[/quote]

You might be interested in this (if they have any left):

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Gunsmith_Specials_.html

[img]http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/finnish39crack.jpg[/img]

UncleJaque
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Collecting & Shooting Surplus Military Firearms

[quote="jbrowher"]I've been thinking of getting a Lee Enfield SMLE myself... ...[/quote]

Check out:

[url=http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Enf-2A__Enfield_2A_.308_NATO_7.62x51_... Enfield 2A .308[/url]

........[img]http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/enf2a.gif[/img]

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