NO NO NO
If he gave all the money he is spending to promote Venizula (spelling), and trying to make himself look like a good guy, to those who are in need, he would not have to make deals with the Devil
Why are you against him running ads in Maine?
Ray, I judge people on who they are, not who they are related to. Joe Kennedy has done some good work.
Joe is sucking up to commies. But then again............that's no change for Dems in Congress.
[size=24]Robert~ Chavez wants to wipe your a_ _ and everyone you love off the face of the earth.[/size]
Give him a hug for me.
Last year Chavez made deals with states. There was political liability in it for elected Democrats. This year Joe co-ordinates the delivery of fuel for Chavez. elected Democrats, like Baldacci, can distance themselves from Chavez.
Joe's Citizen's Energy didn't stray this far north before.....do you think things happen in a vacuum Robert?
That is why I will not gas up at a Citgo gas station.
I can not and will not support Chavez.
[i]Edited to add the not. [/i] :oops: :oops:
That is why I will gas up at a Citgo gas station.
I can not and will not support Chavez.[/quote]
Like I said before Paul, I am not going to spend my life hiding under the bed. The government needs an enemy to protect us against.
So David, we should pay top dollar to supply heating oil for welfare cases?
Citgo Petroleum Corporation or Citgo, a subsidiary of PetrÃ³leos de Venezuela S.A., the Venezuelan state-owned petroleum company, is a United States-incorporated firm refiner and marketer of gasoline, lubricants, petrochemicals and other petroleum products. PDVSA is controlled by the Venezuelan government.[/quote]
[quote]That is why [b]I will gas up[/b] at a Citgo gas station. [/quote]
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I am sooo ashamed
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Paul, if Chavez was anti US, would he sell us the oil at a bargain. He may be anti Bush and his neo-cons, but does he want to wipe us out? And can he? I doubt it. Paul, put down the newspapers, turn off the teevee, and enjoy life.
$5.00/gallon and 25% unemployment
[quote="Robert"]So David, we should pay top dollar to supply heating oil for welfare cases?[/quote]
So Robert, you're for giving the rich free stuff while the poor pay for it or languish because programs for them become unfunded?
that is the equivalent here. Our poor before their poor. Our poor who are, over all, better off then their poor.
Or are you scared that we'd let our poor freeze to death outside of isolated cases that can be atributed to something other than a lack of funding?
See Robert, I think Venezuala has more than enough problems of its own to take care of before we should be taking advantage of Chavez's checkbook diplomacy. Or should the rich not take care of their own?
Explain it to me Robert, in moral terms, how it is even close to being right to take cut rate Venezualan oil.
Could Chavez bring the US down? Nope. But he and the Iranian Preisdent could bring the world economy to a hard stop.
David, bottom line, if I going to be forced to pay for other peoples heating oil, I want the best bang for my buck. I do not believe in socialism, it's obvious you do.
If you guys are so hell bent on boycotting the products of communism, why are you banging away on your chinese computers? Why don't you boycott GM or Ford or any other Multi-National with a Chinese presence? Why not China-Mart?
[quote]Explain it to me Robert, in moral terms, how it is even close to being right to take cut rate Venezualan oil. [/quote]
We should take as much of it as we can get and buy the equivalent from other suppliers and pump it into our strategic reserves.
There is nothing immoral about taking an enemys resources at cut rates.
[quote="Robert"]David, bottom line, if I going to be forced to pay for other peoples heating oil, I want the best bang for my buck. I do not believe in socialism, it's obvious you do.[/quote]
Actually Robert, clearly you do, just on a global scale where you have even less say in the matter.
mirgliP, CPU made in Costa Rica, thanks for caring.
Chavez is a blow hard. He can't even feed his own people or pick up the trash here! They have some of the richest natural recources(oil,gold,lumber tourism) and they can't do crap with it.
Chavez is just like our Dems. keep the poor in need and then become their hero.
The Venezuelans absolutely love us except for the rabid pro Chavez crowd and they would go to the US in a heartbeat if they could.
[quote="David Hughes"] Actually Robert, clearly you do, just on a global scale where you have even less say in the matter.
mirgliP, CPU made in Costa Rica, thanks for caring.[/quote]
Please explain how you think I believe in socialism. Chavez has a product to sell, he sets the price, I like the price, I buy. Haven't you ever negotiated the cost of things you want?
I am a generous compasionate man, I would like to be able to donate my money to whomever I see fit. I want to take charity out of the governments hands and put it back into the hands of the people who earn the money!
If the people of venezuala are forced to pay for our heating oil shouldn't they get the best bang for their buck? If they aren't getting it from selling the oil just where is their bang coming from?
Welfare programs redistribute wealth. They forcable take from one group, give to someone else, rich or not, and create dependence along the way. Usually the group having their stuff taken has no say in how it is used.
How does that not fit the situation of accepting cut rate oil from Venezuala? By accepting it we are taking from the people of Venezuala even though they have little or no say in the matter. We are allowing ourselves to become dependent on that cut rate oil. After just one year of it our politicians found a way to still get it without looking like they are getting it.
The difference between our government taking it from you and our government taking it from Chavez is that when Chavez threatens to cut off the oil it's going to be a major problem. When you threaten to cut off the money supply in some legal manner it is a very minor problem and one that does not impact overall national security.
Your greed is blinding you to the absolute stupidity of allowing ourselves to become dependent on any other nation for anything that can be used as a political wedge in our own country against us.
There is little difference between a nuke in NY and a foreign power holding political sway, no matter how minor, over a region of the country.
Or do you prefer being part of the welfare class that votes for its benefits instead of the best interests of the country/state?
You are free to go down the road to dependency with your eyes screwed shut if you like. I'd rather not.
Either you didn't read my last post David, or your reading comprehesion leaves something to be desired.
Guess you didn't read mine very well either.
so what is it that you are buying from Chavez? It's certainly more than just oil.
Here, buy this land....just ignore the toxic sludge in the pond..... :roll:
I don't like Chavez, but I'm not crazy about the Saudis either.
If he wants to sell oil at a cheap price, we should buy it.
Kennedy goes to far in his ad by using the term "friends."
Dan, the difference between you saying we should buy it and Robert saying we should buy it are tremendous.
Yeah - The Saudi's are such a better group of people to buy oil from. (sarcasm inserted here)
oil is fungible laMaine, doesn't matter who we buy it from. What matters is the structure of the deal.
We can stop buying oil from the Suadi's and buy it from someone else at market prices and we'd still end up with Suadi oil.
Or we can buy it at a discount from Chavez, make him a hero of our left whiel paying him for the priviledge of becoming dependent on his checkbook diplomacy.
I thought liberals hated checkbook diplomacy that created dependency since it prevented the recipient nation from being self-determinant.
Or is this somehow different?