Old Town G-P Mill Rehires 18; Only 382 Jobs to Go!

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Red Shield hiring former mill workers

Monday, November 13, 2006

OLD TOWN - The new owner of the former Georgia-Pacific paper mill has been hiring former G-P employees as it gets the property back into shape. One...first task...to get a biomass boiler running [that stopped] shortly after G-P shut down the mill last March, putting more than 400 people out of work.

Dan Bird, VP of the local papermaker's union...said 15 hourly/three salaried employees have been hired.

Bird said. "It's starting to come together."

[url=http://business.mainetoday.com/news/061113mill.html]source[/url]

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I think we beat this to death last summer, but the tone of your thread title begs the question; would it be better if no jobs were created? Who do you blame for the closing of this mill, and why?

Signed,

Cranky in Belfast

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I don't blame Baldacci or state government for the closing.

I do think the rebirth of the mill was greatly overplayed by the Governor and the media.

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Time will tell, but we should all be naysayers in the meantime?

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Naysayers or truth tellers?

Baldacci does have a record of cooking the books to make things look more successful than reality. Dirigo is a good example.

The Governor earned headlines such as the one above by his continued promises and press conferences concerning the mill.

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And there will be no hiding the facts if the jobs materialize or not. I will reserve my judgement for a while longer.

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Don't be so sure. The Governor will probably count everyone who works at the mill at any point in time as a job created, just like he counts everyone who was ever on DIRIGO to inflate those numbers.

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That's true Bob. One does have to note, however, that Baldacci is quite good at grandstanding when there is a positive development......and disappearing behind obfuscation when there is a problem. Dirigo failure, DHHS failure, MaineCare computer failure, etc come to mind for the latter.

Guess that make him a master politician!

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Kind of like making a speech in front of a "Mission Accomplished" banner.............. 8)

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Bob -

I'm sick to death of a simple game of deception played by Democrats - with great success - to keep getting re-elected. The Old Town mill offers a great example.

1. Get political mileage out of trumpeting future good news.
2. When the good news never happens, or under-happens (a new word!), it's either not reported or it's under-reported, so
3. The political blowhards get the applause and are never held accountable for their failures.

How long, pre-Election Day, did the Governor keep hope alive that the G-P mill would be back? Then, right before the Election, the new ownership is touted as a great success for the mill. So far we have 18 rehires. We'll see what happens. This is a Governor who also promised that Bangor was going to be the "Silicon Valley" of wood composites. When that didn't happen there were no follow-up stories in the press.

I hope the best for mill workers. I'm just sick of politicians, like Baldacci, who use these people as political props.

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I don't recall the Silicon Valley comment, however there IS more going on in wood composites [i]research[/i] in Orono than likely anywhere else in the US. It sounds like an exaggeration to compare it to Silicon Valley, but don't short the composites folks on this one.

Set a timer to check back in at the GP mill in two years to see how it's going.

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Maybe Baldacci should come to Portland and get the Stadium guy through the Activist style of city Counciling, to help open the Hooters.

A typical Hooters, Would I dare say employee more than 18 people.

Yet no Dem nor Portland City Councilor (Karen G) was Nailed for destroying jobs.

Alais we elect the people.

Portland (at least Munjoy and western prom) are now mainly occupied by newly moved in people, and not the working class that once thrived in Portland.

Maybe Gov Baldacci should establish an Old Town Down Town Arts District and limit business type there, to help the people out.

EJ

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Bob, you are trying to inject logic and reasoning into a forum that would rather bi@%* and complain, and spin anything possible into Democratic failure or conspiracy. My guess is that if Woodcock were elected on the 7th, someone would have attempted to claim this as a victory for the state delivered by the GOP.

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Who, me?

Actually, I am not convinced of the job potential at Old Town, but I am willing to wait a little longer than some others.

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Nice try, FNG, but no cigar. Re-read what I wrote and do the math.

Are you saying the months of Baldacci stringing along mill workers, trumpeting the new mill owners, was all along about rehiring 18-workers?

I hope the mill succeeds. I hope all the old G-P workers are rehired under Red Shield's new ownership. To date, Baldacci's political opportunities/spin is ahead of rehires. In case I miss it when that situation reverses - please email me the news.

Thank you.

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FNG, I still maintain that if Baldacci's lips are moving there is something that he isn't telling you. Whether he is doing it deliberately or simply doesn't know any better the truth of that assertion has been borne out time and time again.

The problem with Republicans isn't that they bitch and whine all the time, the problem is that they let Democrats define who they are.

Bob, in the thread we beat this to death on in the summer the stuff was posted that lays bare the claim of number of jobs that will be created is bunk. Worse then optimistic. One of the companies moving into the mill claims something that is impossible for pete's sake.

Will jobs be created? Yup. Will it be as many jobs as was claimed would be? Nope. Will the media report the lack of meeting goals? Nope. The proof is in the Dirigo pudding.

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There are several reasons the mill went down in the first place, but the final factor was that Baldacci's DEP would not let GP start up their new higher efficiency boiler. Then Baldacci went up river to sympathize with the workers he just put out of work. Angus King did the same thing at Millinocket after his new forestry rules went into effect.

"Oh, we want business in Maine", they say. Horsefeathers!

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[quote="Roger Ek"]There are several reasons the mill went down in the first place, but the final factor was that Baldacci's DEP would not let GP start up their new higher efficiency boiler. [/quote]

I have seen that posted here before, but isn't that same boiler going to be run by the new owners?

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Roger,

The Governor and his Democrat cohorts are all for business.
Non-Profit businesses, that is!

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More than just mill jobs

When the G-P mill bought pulpwood that money went to landowners, loggers, and truckers who for the most part live and pay taxes here in Maine. In good round numbers they spent $50,000,000 on wood that's a lot of money in an economy as small as ours.
Because the demand for wood is down other mills have been able to reduce the price they pay for wood reducing Mainer's income by probably another $50 million. Now add the mill jobs and other local purchases made by a paper mill, and then think about how many times that money changes hands before it leaves the state.

You get a picture of the effect a mill closing like this has on the people who live in this part of the state. If you have mortage payments to make, and kids with their feet under the table three times a day how long can you wait?

You can't blame people for being more than a little disappointed.

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It is the same boiler, but in order to start up they had to agree to sharply reduce the amount of fuel burned. The boiler will never be run at it's designed capacity. Now instead of buying that $50,000,000 worth of Maine grown wood they will take Massachusetts demolition debris. Do a Google search on Casella and Baldacci. Are they related?

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The demise of the pulpwood industry is caused by greater factors than our own governor. I don't like the trend anymore than Doug, but it is very hard to stay competitive with new mills coming on line in tropical regions where all the pulpwood they'll ever need can be grown in rotation in a 6-10 mile radius. Radiata pine, like it or not, is killing our pulp mills in my mind. Perhaps the paper side can survive on imported pulp, but I don't see a return to the glory days of the Maine paper industry (as much as I would like to see it).

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Bob,

I don't see how you can ignore the votes against the
Forest Products Industry cast by Democrats over the
last 25-30 years. The Gov. was in the Legislature as
was Congressman Michaud. Then you have Angus
working with Brownie against the Big "A".

Tom Allen has a rating of 8 on Property Rights.
Mike Michaud's rating is 18. 100 is a perfect score.
American Land Rights Assoc. latest rating of US House
and Senate members

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Not only the radius Bob but they can grow eucalyptus (sp) in about 6 to seven years compared to our 30 to 35 years.

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SCOTT...you're gonna get even sicker if no-one shows up to protest these proclamations of success.

The media will never print the other side, unless someone gives it to them.

The problem is the predominate bias in favor of politicans who promise the Sun and deliver a penlight with their name on it.

Conveying hope and optimism in a hard luck state with a 3rd rate University system is preferred to conveying negativism. Got a solution?

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[quote="bogeys"]Not only the radius Bob but they can grow eucalyptus (sp) in about 6 to seven years compared to our 30 to 35 years.[/quote]

I guess I meant to imply that. In that 10 mile radius is all the land they need to grow the crops to feed their mill. And I also meant to refer to eucalyptus, not the radiata pine. I need to pay more attention to what I'm saying.

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fracture the public face of the party.

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Where is the Forest Products Rating score for the Governor and legislators?

Should we encourage one or would that be a bad thing?

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FJH -

Solution? Sure. I see AMG as one solution. I've pointed out the foul practice. Learned folks i.e. Rep. Doug Thomas, Roger Ek, Dan Billings, Bob MacGregor shed more light on the foul practice. People will read and learn from this thread. That's progress.

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AMG as a solution only works if people take what they learn here out into their world with them and spread the message verbally.

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OK, This is a repeat, but a good place for it.

The greens wail and moan every time a property changes hands. They claim the forest is gone when the only thing that has changed is the book and page of the deed down at the Registry of Deeds. The forest is still there. In m,y lifetime Maine has gained an average of 77,000 acres a year of forest. Yes, Gained. In 1940 we had 6,250,000 acres of pasture and cultivated land. Now we have just over a million acres. When you walk up over a hardwood ridge and see a stone wall going through mature hardwoods, that wall was no put there by elves during the night. It was put there by our grandfathers and their fathers when that land was pasture or cultivated land.

The greens bemoan every new neighborhood as a loss to them. They see new homes as "sprawl". Yet, we are still gaining new forest in Maine as rural cleansing nears its end. Obviously we will see a decline in new forest as old growth reaches its maximunm density and the last farmlands begin to be overgrown with brush. That's what they want, you know. Oh, they are happy with a few mini-farms with wealthy patrons raising organic vegetables, llamas or miniature horses and such. They just don't want farming as a viable business in Maine.

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