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charlotte
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Exactly...I agree with you Naran...

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I'm told that the vaccine used in California is a series of three injections and priced at $450. If this price is correct, the price and who pays could be an issue.

Also, experience in Westbrook Schools shows that opt-out doesn't always work.

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Speaking of money.....

Merck is spending a ton of money to get state laws passed mandating the use of the vaccine through "Women in Government".

If successful, it will mean BILLIONS of dollars in sales for the drug company.

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Good point, Bob.
And I believe we'll be seeing more push from the pharmaceutical industry in support for 'mandated' vaccinations, etc....
They have to recoup the projected money lost to 'mandated' gov't drug price negotiations [i]somewhere[/i].
And I believe 'mandates' will be just one facet in their long-range plan to do just that.

Circular funding... :roll:

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Of course the drug companies would love to see it made mandatory - that's just common sense, from their perspective. However, I think they'll be making bukko baksheesh off this new drug, regardless.

The only reason I can see to make it mandatory is if that would make it easier to get insurance reimbursement.

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Bob, I'm guessing the US potential is five to ten billion for the first rounds (with "catch up" for older girls), then should settle down to one billion or so per year until patents expire.

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Wow - that looks like many billions of women and girls who maybe won't die from cervical cancer when they could have, George.

Or isn't that a concern?

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From the link above:

[quote][u]You can reduce your risk if you[/u]

* [u]practice abstinence[/u]
* have only one partner who has no other intimate partners
* have sex play that does not include vaginal or anal intercourse
* use condoms every time
* get the HPV vaccine

[u]What do I need to know about the HPV vaccine?[/u]

....snip
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved the use of the HPV vaccine for girls and women from age nine to 26. The vaccine has also been shown to be effective for older women [b]and young men.[/b][/quote]

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I am all for preventative medicine. The parents can opt out if they wish to read up on it, and they should read up on it anyway.

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It seems to me that some on here would prefer those billions of women and girls to die of a painful, horrendous cervical cancer, as long as they die sin-free.

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Hey, if in 12 years this vaccine proves safe, I'll be vaccinating my little girls!

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[quote]Mike Heath was interviewed at the League office today by Channel 8 (WMTW). A female reporter came in with a female cameraman and conducted a sit-down on-camera interview with Mike in the conference room.[/quote]

I'll be interested in Mike's take on this. Also in how Channel 8 edits and spins it. May even prompt me to turn on the news.

Naran, I do hope you are feeling better soon.

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Oh, thank you so much for your kind, and genuine concern, George. I'll let you know the MRI results as soon as I have them.

In the meantime, you keep right on shilling for the CCL. Your paycheck is doubtless in the mail.

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Am I reading this correctly? There are some people here who don't like the idea because someone might make a profit on it?

As for the mandatory nature, why should this be any different from other mandatory inoculations, such as for measles or chicken pox? There's an opt-out alternative for parents who are absolutely certain their daughters and their future husbands will both be virgins when they marry. For the more realistic, this might go a long way toward stopping the spread of the virus and the horrendous disease that can result from it.

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I am not at all opposed to someone making a profit.
I do however, have a problem IF those who are making the profits are the primary forces behind making the vaccine mandatory. Their involvement simply calls for careful scrutiny. How is that a problem?

I posted a question about the "opt-out" and it still remains. I think "opt-in" should be the standard.

The more questions that are asked, the better. Let's get as much information as we can.

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Bob E - I actually agree with you. Vaccines are usefull - I see the reasons and effects of them daily in my work.

However - I don't think the government should mandate for folks. That is the role of parents and free thinking adults. If they choose not to vaccinate for HPV or anything else then they can bear the risks as well as any issues (such in the case of Varicella, Mumps, etc as being shut out of a school, job, etc) that come as a result.

I question anyone who reject vaccines outright, regardless of the type, however it is a personal choice for folks and not an area where government belongs.

I personally support the HPV being available to folks just an Manatra (meningitis) is now available and recommended for kids and teens as there is proof that it saves lives. My daughter is a couple years off from being old enough for the HPV shot, however I will have her get it as dispite how I raise her and talk with her, at somepoint she will be on her own and making her own adult choices and if I can help protect her from cervical cancer then yes I am going to do so.

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Nas...you said it all...

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I have 2 little girls. I will research this as they approach 6th grade. I agree with most on here, if it isn't harmful, I will make sure they are immunized. As for those who think abstinence is the cure all. I got news for ya, cervical cancer is caused by many things. My wife has a condition known as Polycystic ovarian syndrome. It is not sexually transmitted, and it causes cervical cancer. This is one of many things which can cause cervical cancer.

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Agreed Cigar ~ I just hope abstinence is part of the message.

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As do I.

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wow... your girls are miracles!!! PCOS usually causes infertility!

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Yes, they are. We were told by several specialists we would not be able to have children, due to problems with both of us. We now have two wonderful, healthy, intelligent little girls who are my number one reason for living. They are the number one priority in my life, followed closely by the wonderful woman who gave them to me. Everything I do, everything I aspire to is for them.

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[quote="Naran"]Wow - that looks like many billions of women and girls who maybe won't die from cervical cancer when they could have, George.[/quote]

I should have been clearer. I meant billions of US Dollars ($) to treat every girl in the US.

Cervical cancer kills about 4,000 per year in the US, so even if all cervical cancer deaths were eliminated, and "many" billions were four, it would take about 1,000,000 years to save many billions of women and girls. Sorry for the confusion. Doesn't mean that a billion dollars per year (plus inflation) for a million years is not worthwhile... Just wanted you to have the facts.

I am grateful for Cigar's comment on various causes of HPV. I've been reading the vaccine PR, and news items make it sound like all cervical cancer will be prevented, even though the vaccine only works against a few HPV strains.

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Thanks again for your kind concern as to my health, George.

Nascar - I agree with you. As I've said from the beginning, make the vaccine available, give out the information, and let each family (or person) decide whether they want it for themselves, or their daughters.

I see no reason to make it mandatory.

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[url=http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/02/02/D8N1PVG80.html][b][size=18]Texas [i][color=red]Requires[/color][/i] Cancer Vaccine for Girls[/size][/b][/url]

[size=9]Feb 02 3:31 PM US/Eastern[/size]

AUSTIN (AP) -- Gov. Rick Perry [b]ordered[/b] Friday that schoolgirls in Texas [b]must[/b] be vaccinated against the sexually transmitted virus that causes cervical cancer, making Texas the first state to require the shots.

The [b]girls [i]will have to[/i] get Merck & Co.'s new vaccine[/b] against strains of the human papillomavirus, or HPV, that are responsible for most cases of cervical cancer.

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[quote]House Majority Whip Sean Faircloth, D-Bangor, proposed the legislation,...[/quote]

Anybody done a detailed review of Faircloth's PACs? It looks like he had two last cycle.

Faricloth's Blue Ribbon PAC in particular has a large proportion of contributions from Pharma and other medical related groups. Also, Open Secrets has Faircloth in the Maine top ten for out of state contributions.

If I understand correctly, Faircloth's legislation [b]requires that everyone either buy Merck's product, or opt-out after signing a statement that they have read Merck's marketing literature.[/b]

Kudos to Merck. Not a bad marketing strategy. Faircloth is playing the money game.

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Mandating the vaccine at this early stage is a bad idea. This is still a relatively new vaccine, and the "experts" who are still "practicing" at medicine really don't know the long term effects of their new treatment.

I expect to hear a guest on Art Bell telling us that this vaccine causes infertility, and it's a government plot to sterilize our young women.
:P

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[quote]House Majority Whip Sean Faircloth, D-Bangor, proposed the legislation, which contains an opt-out provision for parents who don't want their children to receive the vaccine. [/quote]

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I repeat myself :P
[quote="LMD"]Good point, Bob.
And I believe we'll be seeing more push from the pharmaceutical industry in support for 'mandated' vaccinations, etc....
[b]They have to recoup the projected money lost to 'mandated' gov't drug price negotiations [i]somewhere[/i].[/b]And I believe 'mandates' will be just one facet in their long-range plan to do just that.
Circular funding... :roll:[/quote]

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