So am I - again, Jewish is part of my heritage, too.
I am always amazed when not just one person, but 2 or more people get together to do something insane. I mean, one person, fine, that person is nuts. It's when you add another person into the equation, and that person [i]agrees[/i] with the first wacko- that's when I am suprised. They raised her, the responsibility of her decisions fall on them. They should have been more supportive in her decision.
The whole story is just odd.
I don't know how the couple thought they could manage to get a doctor to perform an abortion on an unwilling, bound & gagged patient. Although, I heard on the news this morning that their Lexus had weapons - maybe they expected to make the doctor perform at gunpoint?
Either way, they are either completely insane or [i]really[/i] dislike the girl's boyfriend. Or although they believe in abortions they don't believe in having a child out of wedlock? No clue.
My guess is that for the right amount of money in NY, you could get a doctor to do anything short of killing him/herself..
[quote]The parents were taken into custody by Salem Police and brought to police headquarters. A search of the vehicle revealed rope, duct tape, scissors, [b]and a .22 caliber rifle. The father was found in possession of a loaded .22 caliber clip in his pants pocket.[/b][/quote]
What kind of liberal travels to an abortion clinic with a rifle and ammunition? The anti-gun laws in New York should have given them pause.
Also, hasn't there been at least one report of an unwilling minor subjected to abortion in New York?
Maybe they were planning to lie about their daughter's age, or to use the loaded rifle to â€œencourageâ€ the abortionist.
I will theorize.
The parents thought, during the ride they would talk their daughter into the act of abortion.
I guess this kids school, Waynflete taught sex education properly.
Maybe a poster child case for condoms on demand.
Though not in the parents care, this Teenager would likely need aid from her family.
I only wish the parents would have talked to their teenager about putting the child up for adoption.
I am not going to blame the school for her getting pregnant.. Her parents are insane. I can't imagine the home-life she had.......
I love how this thread turns to "blame the liberals"...or "blame sex ed"...
Sounds like the daughter was planning to have the child....sounds like she was taking responsibility herself. Her parents are nuts...
That's about it.
No Blame any libs, I think if we had chasity belts, and other Mid-Evil things (such as Berkas) that we would prevent our childeren (hmm 19 yr old child), from a life time of Welfare.
I do not think condoms on Demand would have fixed this problem, but if she did not have sex until she was married that might have.
I hope for her she gives the child up for adoption, there are familes that can better care for a child than a single parent, with what will most likely be two grand parents in jail.
[quote="Naran"]No clinic in Maine (or any other state) should perform an abortion on any patient who is unwilling to have any such procedure done. Don't care what age she is. It's wrong.[/quote]
But will Maine clinics perform an abortion on minors who's parents or legal guardians disaprove? I have heard they will. I would hope that it is not true.
[quote]I think if we had chasity belts, and other Mid-Evil things (such as Berkas) that we would prevent our childeren (hmm 19 yr old child), from a life time of Welfare. [/quote]
Thank goodness not everything thinks like you do.
I am making a bad joke, to make my point.
Do think about Burkas, they are acceptable and do hide women from Men, until they are ready for marriage.
It is perfectly acceptable to have a women in a Burka in the name of religion, yet you took offense of me saying that would be a better alternative to sex education.
This girl, who appears to have been given a good up bringing, now through her behavior, or lack of waiting until she was married, is in quite a dramatic stage of her life.
The parents were wrong.
[quote]This girl, who appears to have been given a good up bringing, now through her behavior, or lack of waiting until she was married, is in quite a dramatic stage of her life. [/quote]
How do you know what her "up bringing" was? I mean those parents who raised her...took her by gunpoint to get an abortion? Do you think this just "happened"? Her parents have a reputation for being nuts...
This pregnancy might be a positive thing for her...compared to what her parents put her through.
But will Maine clinics perform an abortion on minors who's parents or legal guardians disaprove? I have heard they will. I would hope that it is not true.[/quote]
Not quite a direct answer to the disapproval question, but Dr. Dora says that about 50% of abortions on minors (15 and under) in Maine are done without a signature from either parent (parent of the pregnant minor that is).
I understand that Waynflete Academy is quite liberal, diverse and tolerant. Parents who expect to have chastity upheld and promoted are wasting their money if they send their kids to Waynflete.
Does it say they took her at gun point? Or did they just have the riffle and ammunition?
I by no means think the parents are right.
I do feel that this out of control sexual revolution is the cause of great pain in many familes.
I do support what I said about Burkas. In fact I saw a several familes of immigrants in North Deering last night, all their little girls were wearing them, as they went to a building near North Gate.
I do think the fathers in those familes would be upset as well if any of his daughters were de-flowered, or became pregnant before the arranged wedding.
I also respect a culture that values modesty and purity. My daughter invited a friend from school to go to the mall with her (my wife driving).
Before saying yes, the African-immigrant parents grilled us to make sure that their daughter would be supervised, chaperoned and within eyesight of my wife the entire time.
I respect and applaud that. :)
[quote]Does it say they took her at gun point? [/quote]
They tied her up and put her in the car...with a gun in the trunk? Does that sound better to you? Good parenting tips 101?
[quote]I do feel that this out of control sexual revolution is the cause of great pain in many familes. [/quote]
The girl is of legal age...we are not talking about a 13 year old. Could she and her boyfriend been considering marriage? Who knows...My parents were married with their first child around the same time....Oh, and they are still married.
My point, is we do not know if she was on the Fathers/Mothers hand out system or on the Work for Profit system, or attending college.
We know, that she was not held at gun point, or it would have been in the article.
We know the parents Allegidly tied her, and were alledigly going to make her have an abortion. (Abortion BAD)
Lots of wrongs, however trumped charges hopefully will be sorted out as a parent gone crazy moment of a chaotic daughter family reaction.
I want to hear both sides of this story.
I do know know if the daughter was trying to bring a child into this world, but in this day that would be not the norm at such a young age.
At one time, I knew this family well (roughly 15 years ago); and while I'm as shocked as anyone by this thing, I must say that Nick and Lola were good parents and did well by their children; at least from an outside perspective.
What caused them to go over the edge has left me scratching my head since I first heard about this. What they did was wrong, pure and simple, but I don''t think we should speculate about their motives or past without something more concrete than innuendo and gossip.
Good people do bad and stupid things. I know, I'm guilty on both counts. A repeat offender, even.
As for heritage, Nicholas is from Russia and Lola is of French-Canadian descent. Not that it has any bearing whatsoever on this crime.
[quote]Lots of wrongs, however trumped charges hopefully will be sorted out as a parent gone crazy moment of a chaotic daughter family reaction. [/quote]
I am familiar with the family... the parents have been "out there" for a long time....sorry, I feel for their daughter. I can't imagine being tied up by my parents at any age...damaging.
[quote="Naran"]I bet a dozen croissants that the reason they loaded their daughter into the Lexus and took off for NY is that her boyfriend is either 1) of another ethnic flavor or 2) another socioeconomic flavor, maybe both.[/quote]
They showed a picture of the boyfriend/father on WCSH at 6. He is African American.
He is also currently in jail in Androscoggin County.
Perhaps this makes it a hate crime. Attempted murder of an african-american baby?
Those scumbags. Grrrrrrr.... I hope their daughter and grandchild live long, happy, healthy lives.
Dan - Bingo. Sometimes I hate being right.
This will at least make liberals feel better.
They can now decry racism and ignore the messy questions about a forced abortion.
Did they mention what the boyfriend's criminal charge was - the one gifting him with a guest stay in the Androscoggin slammer?
I figured it was only a matter of time before someone sleuthed out his identity.
[i]The boyfriend, 22-year-old Reme Johnson, last week began serving a 6-month sentence for theft at the Androscoggin County Jail in Auburn, Maine. [/i]
Six months for theft is a long sentence. The theft must have been pretty significant and/or part of a long record of crime.
From the article Dan linked:
[quote]Katelyn Kampf had been a student at Boston College, but was withdrawn by her parents because they disapproved of her boyfriend, Salem police told The Boston Globe. She transferred to George Washington University in Washington, but secretly dropped out and returned to Maine, where she was living with her boyfriendÂ´s family in Portland.[/quote]
The article also quotes WMUR TV as saying she is about 20 weeks pregnant. The article is worth reading, just for the parents' defense attorney's statements, if nothing else. No "terrorizing" here? Let's see - taped, bound, carried bodily to a car, guns... yeah, no "terrorizing," just a casual, cozy Sunday family drive, right?
Come on, Naran. I'm sure your parents often restrained you and had a gun at hand when they went on a family trip.
By the way -- this case would be a good one for the federal prosecutors busy going after kids blowing up soda machines. Interstate kidnapping is an appropriate crime for the feds to get involved with.