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Here's one for the other side
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It's always good when police

It's always good when police can defuse these situations.

I would like to point out that there have been a number of incidents in Maine over the last few years where disturbed or deranged citizens have been safely taken into custody under difficult situations, and I think this is a result of better training and awareness by police of these types of incidents.

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Of course it should be noted

Of course it should be noted that all these incidents on youtube should not happen,
in reality which doesn't serve a specific purpose ,they are a minority of incidents
involving interaction between police an civilians,

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8306 here:https://www.google

8306 here:
https://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?docid=1zosqTc1W6jbMWmyP9B...
Too many news items to count:
https://twitter.com/NPMRP

Check in often for updates:
http://www.policemisconduct.net/

Do you like statistics?
http://www.policemisconduct.net/statistics/

2010 data here…4 years old so it probably does not count for much. Right?
http://www.policemisconduct.net/2010-npmsrp-police-misconduct-statistica...
Has stuff like:
$346,512,800 – Estimated amount spent on misconduct-related civil judgments and settlements excluding sealed settlements, court costs, and attorney fees.
Misconduct by Type
Of the 6,613 law enforcement officers involved in reported allegations of misconduct that met NPMSRP criteria for tracking purposes, 1,575 were involved in excessive force reports, which were the most prominent type of report at 23.8% of all reports.

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Spider that is a big number.

Spider that is a big number.
Los Angeles PD 9800 + officers !
Add to that the number of police officers nationwide and the number becomes fairly small statistically !

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RIVERSIDE, CALIF. — A

RIVERSIDE, CALIF. — A Riverside couple who sued police for shooting their pit bull named Brad Pitt will be paid $30,000 as part of a settlement with the city.

Lindsey Gonzalez-Rivera and Luis Rivera filed the suit last year, contending that the killing was unwarranted. The couple had originally sought $350,000.

Police were deployed to the couple’s neighborhood in August 2012 to serve an arrest warrant on a murder suspect who lived two doors away.

Police say one officer who was stationed at the Riveras’ backyard shot Brad Pitt after the dog surprised, cornered and attacked him.

However, the Riveras claim the officer shot the pit bull through a gate and that it wasn’t a danger.

The Riverside Press-Enterprise says (http://bit.ly/1mo25gN ) the settlement was announced Thursday.

The family has since adopted another pit bull, Pugsley, from a shelter.

http://www.modbee.com/2014/07/18/3445294/riverside-to-pay-family-over-pi...

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One of the officers who shot

One of the officers who shot him told investigators, he reached for a gun in his waistband, prompting police to open fire.

Even though Betancourt, 39, cannot speak from the grave, an audio recorder hidden in a watch police gave him might have shed some light on what happened that night

Well! There you go - fortunately there's a recording of the incident!

But the watch Betancourt was wearing in surveillance video earlier that evening disappeared.

Prosecutors Have Doubts About Police Shooting, But Decline to Press Charges

It JUST DISAPPEARED!

Whoa! What are the chances of THAT happening!

Prosecutors comment on the police story:

"I just don't believe it"

County Agrees to Pay $600k for Deaths in Botched Miami-Dade Police Sting

a police officer gave Andrew conflicting orders: “Don’t move your hands;” and, “Let me see your hands underneath your waistband.”

.”When Andrew, 36, followed the second command and showed his hands, one officer said Andrew “made a quick movement towards his waist area

Officers fired a dozen bullets, killing him.

As for the officer who ran the operation, then-Lt. Calvin James – he has since been promoted to major.

No shame.

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Many years ago when I used to

Many years ago when I used to frequent the bars in my small home town , on occasion I might
have had too much to drink. Being the safety concious guy that I am and having a healthy fear of losing my license, I'd walk around town until I found our local town cop Bob,I 'd say "hey Bob I'm too lit to drive how about a lift home? and he'd say that sounds like a plan , get in." He'd give me a lecture and ask me if Iwas ever going straighten up and fly right.......
Nowdays that would probably get me beaten, handcuffed , thrown in jail .....or worse.....

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obscure news bleep:

obscure news bleep:

Friday, July 18, 2014
Texas Jury Refuses To Indict Man Who Shot and Killed Officer During ‘No Knock’ Raid.
(A) Texas grand jury has refused to indict Goedrich Magee, 20, who shot and killed a law enforcement officer, Burleson County Sgt. Adam Sowders, 31, during a no knock entrance into his home. Magee said that he thought he was being robbed and acted to protect his pregnant girlfriend and children. The grand jury “no billed” the case in February.

some comments:
THEBigFatPanda said...
Bravo Zulu to that grand jury!! Glad to see they had the balls to resist pressure from the prosecutor and stick to the facts(wherever that may have led them) or to simple common sense.
I dont revel in anyones death but maybe if enough cops get killed doing these stupid no knocks for petty bullshit somebody will have a Homer Simpson moment (Doooh!!!) and figure out that for 99% of criminals, maybe just MAYBE two deputies on the doorstep having a polite conversation would be a more appropriate response?
Naah, they'll just start dropping MK82 500 lb bombs on the house. Cops must go home safe, ya know!
July 18, 2014 at 5:41 AM

Anonymous said...
Maybe next time a swat team commander says "we're gonna kick in this guy's doors without knocking for this pile of parking tickets" the team will say "Fuck you, sir. We ain't goin!"
July 18, 2014 at 7:42 AM

Anonymous said...
GOOD!!!
It shows people are fed up with this type of shit.

It seems that more than a few people are getting upset by the lawlessness of the law

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Family dissembles police-talk

Family takes apart police-talk disparagement of police shooting victims:

Prior to any relevant facts regarding the shooting coming to light, the police representatives were calling this a "good shooting". The police involved in the pursuit and shooting were lauded by union representatives as "heroes". We now know they were wrong. It is clear that Officer Brelo, Police Supervisors and any of the Cleveland Police involved with the November 29, 2012 pursuit and shooting were not heroes; far from it...

It is apparent, however, that the Cleveland police union representatives are going to continue in their desperate attempt to spin this tragedy into anything other than a complete debacle by some members of the Cleveland Police.

Evidence the most recent comments by union counsel and now defense attorney Mr. Pat D'Angelo. Apparently it wasn't enough for the police union to denigrate Tim and Melissa while praising their (now disciplined or indicted) members for the unlawful pursuit and shooting.

Russell family releases statement about deadly police shooting

At least most PDs are getting their public relations right lately - they will now make statements like "It was a tragedy.." "No one wants this to happen...", rather than the Cleveland Police Union, which seem to be only capable of Neandrathal grunting, which was the basic PD response up until about a year ago.

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U.S. Border Patrol agents on

U.S. Border Patrol agents on the Canada-Alaska border detained a Boy Scout troop for four hours and threatened one boy with a loaded pistol to the head, all because one of the scouts tried to take a picture of the agents.

BORDER PATROL POINTS LOADED GUN at Iowa Boy Scout Troop – Threatens Young Scouts (Video)

There is some dispute about whether a border patrol agent actually pointed a gun at the child, however even without that, the event is still incredible.

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Pull a gun on my kid of any

Pull a gun on my kid of any in my care and you have just declared that you intend to commit suicide by proxy. Now or later, makes no difference.

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Fox said he and another

Fox said he and another member of the troop were interrogated by agents – forced to answer questions about their background.

They also wanted to know why the Boy Scouts were hauling “excessive amounts of lighters, matches and knives,”

Troop leader: Customs and Border agent held Boy Scout at gunpoint

They wanted to know why the Boy Scouts had lighters, matches and knives.

Just a reminder - these are the people entrusted to keep our borders safe.

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Waller was facing domestic

Waller was facing domestic violence charges on Sept. 11, 2012, and in the courtroom’s surveillance video, he could be heard asking the judge, “The investigation should come first and then the arrest?”

He then looks back, and then Lovingier is seen grabbing Waller by the waist and slamming him head first into a wall. Waller fell to the ground and was then dragged out of the courtroom into a holding cell.

In the video, Lovingier can be heard saying “You don’t turn on me.”

Shackled inmate seen being slammed into courtroom wall by Denver deputy files lawsuit

The judge filed a complaint, and the officer was suspended.

Hmmm... What did the "investigation" conclude?

the Denver District Attorney’s office declined to prosecute the deputy.

Whoa - Who could have seen THAT coming?!

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Girl Ambushed By 7 Cops For

Girl Ambushed By 7 Cops For Carrying Water Wins $212k From Va. Taxpayers
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August 1, 2014 9:30 AM

The state of Virginia will spend $212,500 in taxpayer funds to settle a $40 million lawsuit filed by Elizabeth Daly, the University of Virginia student who spent a night and much of the next day in jail after seven cunningly plain-clothed agents from the Alcoholic Beverage Control division ambushed her for the crime of purchasing bottled water.

Attorneys for Daly reached the settlement agreement with lawyers with the Virginia Attorney General late Wednesday, reports The Daily Progress.

Daly’s attorneys filed her complaint in March. The 12 counts include constitutional rights violations and the use of excessive force. The defendants in the case are the state and the seven agents from the state’s Alcoholic Beverage Control agency.

The incident happened last June, after Daly (then 20, now 21) and two of her friends purchased a sky-blue carton of LaCroix sparkling water, cookie dough and ice cream at a local supermarket.

The seven agents sprung aggressively into action, suspecting that the student was carrying a 12-pack of beer. Police admitted that a high-strung agent vaulted onto the hood of Daly’s Chevrolet TrailBlazer. She contends that one of them also drew a gun. (RELATED: UVA Student Jailed For Possession Of Bottled Water, Ice Cream)

Daly, along with two roommates who were in the car, did what reasonable, unarmed people usually do when violently pounced upon by seven people. They tried to get away.

The only thing regrettable is that the settlement is not enough and the officers do not have to personally pay the bill.

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This is one of those stories

This is one of those stories that reeks of police-speak, and make you go "Hmmmmm..."

While attempting to evade arrest, the suspect nearly hit the arresting officer, who took out his service handgun and fired at the fleeing car, police said.

A Honolulu police officer fired five shots through an open car window

Officer fired shots through car window at suspect

"Nearly hit" is the subjective inflammatory language. "Through the open car window" means the officer was not in the path of the vehicle when he shot.

Police have classified the case against the dead driver as a first-degree attempted murder case. Police have also opened an investigation into violation of the open container law, disobedience to a police officer, an unattended death and a motor vehicle collision.

Doesn't matter that he's dead, throw the book at the guy. Even the bogus "first degree attempted murder" charge.

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DeVillena, 22, was shot six times in the downtown parking garage in the early morning hours of Nov. 10,

According to the Palm Springs Police Department, the officers shot at the Chrysler because DeVillena had ignored their orders to stop, then accelerated his vehicle in the direction of one officer, striking him.

A witness to the shooting, Lesley Lynn Diggins, has sworn in federal court that DeVillena never struck an officer with his car, nor was he driving at an officer when they opened fire.

New info arises in Palm Springs police Marine shooting

Hmmm... Why does the witness description seem more credible than the police version?

Marines turn out in a vigil to support their comrade, who was killed by police.

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From the PPH this morning:

From the PPH this morning:

"Court orders state to release 911 transcript in police shooting in Windham."
http://www.pressherald.com/2014/08/06/court-rules-state-must-release-911...

The final paragraph says it all!
The Attorney General’s Office has reviewed more than 100 cases of deadly force incidents involving law enforcement officers since 1990 and has found the use justified in every case.

charlie

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And yet if the AG reviewed a

And yet if the AG reviewed a case and found contrary to state law the howls would be heard from Ft. Kent to Kittery !

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Two officers found Shergill

Two officers found Shergill in a nearby park, and began trailing him with weapons drawn, according to witness reports. The department has said the officers shot Shergill after he pulled a knife on them. Several witnesses have disputed that Shergill threatened the officers.

Judge to rule on proposed gag order in Lodi police shooting

Well, then - let's see the evidence!

An investigation by multiple agencies has produced more than 2,300 pages of material, which the defense said it has turned over to Sacramento civil rights attorney Mark Merin, who is representing the Shergill family in the case. The city, however, wants to “keep the information within the litigation,” preventing the public and news media from access to the information

I guess we'll have to "wait for the investigation"!

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In her statement to

In her statement to investigators, Tianga said she saw a gun and "was in fear for her life." She fired the first shot.

Manekas then fired at Distefano 18 more times, thinking Distefano had fired at Tianga.

He reloaded his pistol with a fresh magazine and started firing again. Manekas didn't stop until the lieutenant grabbed his vest and told him to stop

His lieutenant, Shawn Enser, who previously saw Distefano running with his police radio, realized Manekas was firing at Distefano so he screamed at him "cease fire, he's a cop."

Sheriff's report: 19 shots in friendly-fire incident 'proper'

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WHO'D A THUNK IT???

WHO'D A THUNK IT???

A Court with reasonable thought processes.

AZ Supreme Court: Cops Can’t Frisk Gun Owners Unless They’re “Engaging in Criminal Behavior”
By Robert Farago on August 8, 2014

“In October 2010, police officers saw Johnathon Serna talking to a woman on the street in a ‘gang neighborhood,’” azcentral.com reports. “When the woman walked away, they approached Serna, who they described as ‘very cooperative and polite.’” Roger that. “Then one of the officers noticed a bulge in Serna’s waistband and asked if he had a gun. Serna said he did, and the police told him to put his hands on his head and took the gun. When the police learned that Serna had prior felony convictions, making him a ‘prohibited possessor,’ they arrested him and charged him with misconduct with weapons.” Serna served time for the weapons beef, while his case wended its way though the Copper State’s court system. Eventually, the AZ Supreme Court ruled against the search, despite the fact that . . .

cops saw the bulge. While knowing that Serna was happy to see them, it was not enough to justify the search.

Over the course of the appeals, prosecutors argued that Serna had consented to frisking. The high court wrote that “police interactions with members of the public are inherently fluid, and what begins as a consensual encounter can evolve into a seizure that prompts Fourth Amendment scrutiny.”

According to the ruling, Serna only had to say that he was not going to talk to the police and could have walked away after they told him to put his hands on his head.

The justices did not think it was that easy. “A reasonable person would not have felt free to disregard such a command from a law enforcement officer,” they wrote. And they agreed Serna’s constitutional rights had been violated.

A frisk can only occur under two conditions, they concluded: “officers must reasonably suspect both that criminal activity is afoot and that the suspect is armed and dangerous.”

What’s that you hear? Arizona open carry gun owners thanking the good Lord that they live in America’s most gun-friendly state. And open carry advocates in other states wishing their states would get a knock in their head. Metaphorically speaking. [h/t SN]

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/08/robert-farago/az-supreme-court-...

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Mistake by cop.

Mistake by cop.
Do you have a permit to conceal carry ?
Answer ,No.
Different result.

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Not so sure. The act of

Not so sure. The act of talking to another person is not reasonable suspicion to warrant a search. I believe the court stated that a crime must have been committed or in the act of committing to bring about reasonable suspicion. There was a lot of this type of result in the past when known criminals "beat the rap" in court because police did not have the proof of reasonable suspicion. Capone was never convicted of a capital crime. He was convicted on tax evasion. (case in point).

Regardless of his past, the law must still be followed for everyone or there is no law.

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Bulge in jacket?

Bulge in jacket?
Officer suspects a firearm.

Do you have a gun?
Yes.
Do you have a permit for concealed carry ?
No!
Is not probable cause established ?

It is IMO. See it isn't talking to the person which you question and court did, it would be the subjects own words.

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Or the scenario most adored

Or the scenario most adored by some:
"Do you have a gun?"

"I respectfully invoke my Fifth Amendment rights. I refuse to answer without my lawyer present and I request my lawyer." At which time all questioning and or searches must, by law, end.

(just playing Devils advocate (pun intended))

nite nite.

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Did the prohibited person get

Did the prohibited person get his gun back ?

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The article doesn't say but I

The article doesn't say but I doubt it. The Police tend to keep things which do not belong to them regardless of legality. I do like the following line in the article. I believe it applies everywhere and if it is not being followed, it should.

A frisk can only occur under two conditions, they concluded: “officers must reasonably suspect both that criminal activity is afoot and that the suspect is armed and dangerous.”

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Hundreds Yell ‘Kill the

Hundreds Yell ‘Kill the Police!’ After Officer Fatally Shoots Allegedly Unarmed Teenager (UPDATE: NAACP Wants FBI to Investigate)
Aug. 9, 2014 8:50pm Dave Urbanski

UPDATE, 10:38 p.m.: FERGUSON, Mo. (TheBlaze/AP) — A woman whose grandson was fatally shot by police said she found his body in the middle of the street minutes after he was expected to arrive at her home.

Desiree Harris said she was driving through her suburban St. Louis neighborhood Saturday afternoon when she saw her 18-year-old grandson, Michael Brown, walking a few blocks from her house. After she arrived home minutes later, she heard a commotion and ran outside to see Brown’s body on the pavement nearby.

UPDATE 9:25 p.m.: FERGUSON, Mo. (TheBlaze/AP) — The St. Louis County NAACP said it wants the FBI to investigate the death of the teenager shot by a police officer.

John Gaskin, a member of the local NAACP chapter, said the group wants the FBI to handle the probe to ensure a thorough, transparent investigation.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/09/hundreds-yell-kill-the-police...

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