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Student Enviros Murdered Camping in Natl Wilderness Area

Ocala.com
Article published Jan 8, 2006
Bodies found in forest
Students' deaths called homicides

AUSTIN L. MILLER
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OCALA NATIONAL FOREST - A family's search for a missing daughter ended...when they discovered her body and that of her companion...in Ocala National Forest.

[T]he bodies...identified as Amber Marie Peck, 26, and John Parker, 26....

They were students at Santa Fe Community College, members of... Students for Environmental Harmony.

The brother-in-law,...pinpoint[ed] their destination at Hidden Pond in the Juniper Prairie Wilderness Area through the use of a GPS Web site on his computer.

[url=http://www.ocala.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060108/NEWS/201080368/...

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[quote]Unfortunately, the National Forest has been the scene of other grisly slayings, including an eerily similar case in 1994.

John Edwards, a student at Florida State University, and his sister Pam, a senior at Eckerd College in St. Petersburg, were attacked at their campsite in Hopkins Prairie. He was killed; she was assaulted but survived.

Loran Cole was sentenced to death for that crime, and his accomplice, William C. Paul, received a life sentence.

Also, on Oct. 2, 1966, two young women, Pam Nater and Nancy Leichner, disappeared on an outing at Alexander Springs. That case has never been solved.[/quote]

Jeez, guess I'll rethink my vacation plans.

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Is it possible that the killer was one of the hundreds of thousands of people whose life has been seriously disrupted by enviromentalists? If so there will be many that find it difficult to work up much sympathy for these budding enviromentalists.
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[quote="landry"]Is it possible that the killer was one of the hundreds of thousands of people whose life has been seriously disrupted by enviromentalists? If so there will be many that find it difficult to work up much sympathy for these budding enviromentalists.
Bud[/quote]

That would be the worst thing that could happen.

Time will tell. But there have been past instances of campers/hikers being murdered, and the perps are almost invariably just plain bonkers... no political motives attached.

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me-rup, Since your remarks were addressed to my dad, let me inform you that my grandparents did not inter breed and they apparently had more class in their little fingers than you have in your whole body. In your reference to beastiality, I sincerely hope you are not referring to my mother. As for late night sneaking uncle, those are my cousins you are making reference to. Those sister-marrying barbarians would be my aunts. You are brave hiding behind your fake name. Do you dare say these things to my father, myself or any other of my family members in person? You appear to be quite a coward.

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[quote="landry"]Is it possible that the killer was one of the hundreds of thousands of people whose life has been seriously disrupted by enviromentalists? If so there will be many that find it difficult to work up much sympathy for these budding enviromentalists.
Bud[/quote]
Bud, it's murder.
I doubt that they were killed because of their beliefs.
I wouldn't camp anywhere without a large caliber handgun.
Ever wonder who might be watching outside of the 'fishbowl' of your campfire?
Perhaps they could have used it, perhaps not.
Both 26. It's tragic.
Such sick predators are part of the 'old world order', always been there, always will be.

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$5,000 Reward for Arrest in Murders

bradenton.com
Posted on Mon, Jan. 09, 2006

$5,000 reward offered for arrest in Ocala National Forest murders

Associated Press

OCALA, Fla. - Authorities on Monday offered a $5,000 reward for information leading to an arrest of the murderer of a couple whose bodies were found over the weekend in the Ocala National Forest.

Amber Marie Peck and John Parker, both 26, were found shot to death Saturday.

http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/news/local/13586566.htm

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[quote="me-repub"][quote="landry"]Is it possible that the killer was one of the hundreds of thousands of people whose life has been seriously disrupted by enviromentalists? If so there will be many that find it difficult to work up much sympathy for these budding enviromentalists.
Bud[/quote]

Perhaps you are serious about this comment. If so then I would greatly recommend that you rid this world of your grisly presence. We have fought hard for the 2nd amendment. If you are serious about your comment then by all means excercise your constitutional right to bear arms and allow yourself to never think again.

If you are not serious then I urge you to work on new "material." If you jest then perhaps your "jokes" would find better audience if they did not perpetuate you as the stereotype of an inbred, bestiality-practising, illiterate, no-toothed, squirrel-eating, late-night-sneaky-uncle, sister-marrying barbarian.[/quote]

Does your "Holier than thou" utterances hold true for those enviros who spiked trees which caused saw-mill operators to be seriously injured or dismembered? This is a forum of ideas. Mr. Landry expressed but one of them. Personally I suspect his true attitude is to keep his ass glued to his computer chair. Nothing more, nothing less.

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I merely asked a question. I made no remark that this is a fact. I have heard people that was seriously economically hurt by the enviromentalists say, we should hang the bastards. How far from making this remark, to actually doing something. I am against such behavior, but some people are not. Why does asking a question cause such an uproar. Are some of you making these remarks to have something to post? Which one of you can deny the possibility. Which one of you can deny the police have not considered this possibility. Your reaction sounds to me like mob mentality.
Bud

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[quote="landry"]I merely asked a question. I made no remark that this is a fact. I have heard people that was seriously economically hurt by the enviromentalists say, we should hang the bastards. How far from making this remark, to actually doing something. I am against such behavior, but some people are not. Why does asking a question cause such an uproar. Are some of you making these remarks to have something to post? Which one of you can deny the possibility. Which one of you can deny the police have not considered this possibility. Your reaction sounds to me like mob mentality.
Bud[/quote]

Fair enough, Bud. Allow me to point out that it is possible to read your original post as supportive of those who who would take violent action against environmentalists. Suspect that's the cause of the reaction.

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PREVIOUSLY POSTED: "Is it possible that the killer was one of the hundreds of thousands of people whose life has been seriously disrupted by enviromentalists? If so there will be many that find it difficult to work up much sympathy for these budding enviromentalists."

Anyone who would be unsympathethic to the murder of two young people, regardless of their particular eco-political views, has nothing positive or relevant to contribute to any debate within our society to begin with. There is a reason such people are marginalized to the extremes of society. Its so they can't effect how normal people live.

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I find it amazing that American children can go through 13 years of education and never learn any self-defense. What rubbish the gov't school system is.

The old saying, "If you want something done right, do it yourself", applies to making sure your kids know how to defend themselves.

Also making sure they can read, write, cypher...

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Eaglesland, I reread my post and I cannt see where you could find where I suppoerted this killing. I simply asked a question. If this question offended you in any way, I do apoligize, but do you deny the possibility?

re pub, My, Are you not a nasty mouthed little fellow? You must have gone to one of the government schools. Your debating skills are amazing. You would do well in any mob.
Bud

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[quote="landry"]Eaglesland, I reread my post and I cannt see where you could find where I suppoerted this killing. I simply asked a question. If this question offended you in any way, I do apoligize, but do you deny the possibility?[/quote]

El Cabrito posted the clause in question a few posts north of this. I'm not saying that you DID support it - merely that the way the statement was written could be interpreted as doing so.

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Mark, I'm not sure even a black belt in karate would have prevented the bullets from entering those poor unfortunate individuals.

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[quote="bogeys"]Mark, I'm not sure even a black belt in karate would have prevented the bullets from entering those poor unfortunate individuals.[/quote]

I was thinking more along the lines of firearms self-defense, which may or may not have helped.

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Speaking of firearms my wife and I camp in some of Maine's State Parks and if I remember correctly they ask you if you have any firearms on your person. Does anyone know if you are allowed to "carry" in a State Park?

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Dust to Dust..Fertilizer to fertilizer.... They were just doing their part to make sure the Earth Mother had enough excrement to feed the new Pre-Columbian flora and fuana.

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Mark, I do agree with you that schools should teach self-defense, including the proper use of firearms. If these young women had had training in firearms and had been armed, this tradgety could possibly have been prevented. Instead the government schools disarm all people in the school, creating a pool of unarmed, defenseless victims for any nut case that decides to kill. The same is true in all federal buildings and national parks. The federal post officies are the most dangerous place to be.

I do believe loaded weapons are banned in state park camping areas. I have camped in many state parks and I always was armed. I just did not advertize it.
Bud

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[quote="Karen Brown"]me-rup, Since your remarks were addressed to my dad, let me inform you that my grandparents did not inter breed and they apparently had more class in their little fingers than you have in your whole body. In your reference to beastiality, I sincerely hope you are not referring to my mother. As for late night sneaking uncle, those are my cousins you are making reference to. Those sister-marrying barbarians would be my aunts. You are brave hiding behind your fake name. Do you dare say these things to my father, myself or any other of my family members in person? You appear to be quite a coward.[/quote]

You go, Karen!
love,
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[quote="Mark T. Cenci"]I find it amazing that American children can go through 13 years of education and never learn any self-defense. What rubbish the gov't school system is.

The old saying, "If you want something done right, do it yourself", applies to making sure your kids know how to defend themselves.

Also making sure they can read, write, cypher...[/quote]

Is this another twist in blaming the victim -- blame their parents???

These people could have been murdered in their sleep for all you know. Hard to defend yourself when assaulted when you are unconsious.

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Or if you're sitting in that circle of firelight, and somebody pops you in the head from 100 feet away.

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Heal, I do not believe it was meant to blame the victim , but the system. The system seems to have raised a bunch of helpless numbskulls that depend upon the government to protect them. The government gets involved only when there is a body to investigate. Self reliance is a thing of the past.
Bud

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Anybody who disagrees with what I wrote is a nancy-boy and dumbass.

Well, that's generally true in all cases, but specifically here, my point is that kids must grow up understanding the world is dangerous, and that preparation for dangerous encounters increases your chances of survival.

Kids are sent off to these mausoleums of matriarchal mish mash and come away with insipid notions that the wilderness is your friend and if you just sit and talk with people everything will be resolved.

So a call for firearms training in the schools is met with a critique that it won't stop someone from shooting you in your sleep.

Oh, you are right. Better to give up totally. There's no chance to better yourself in any way.

And what's this jibberish about blaming the parents? If you can't read what is being posted here on AMG, maybe you can find a literate person to read it to you before you reply.

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One can be trained in firearms and not be carrying. My father had a number of guns and I was trained to use them, but he did not bring along a gun when we went camping unless hunting was on the agenda. I have no problem with people carrying, but the idea that one has to carry to be safe in this world is ridiculous.

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[quote="Thomas O"][quote="landry"]Is it possible that the killer was one of the hundreds of thousands of people whose life has been seriously disrupted by enviromentalists? If so there will be many that find it difficult to work up much sympathy for these budding enviromentalists.
Bud[/quote]
Bud, it's murder.
I doubt that they were killed because of their beliefs.
I wouldn't camp anywhere without a large caliber handgun.
Ever wonder who might be watching outside of the 'fishbowl' of your campfire?
Perhaps they could have used it, perhaps not.
Both 26. It's tragic.
Such sick predators are part of the 'old world order', always been there, always will be.[/quote]

I could be wrong, but I believe most federal parks preclude arms completely, which is why I would never camp in one.

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That is correct. Firearms are also banned in Maine State Parks between May 1st and September 30th.

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But again, my own point was - even had they been carrying guns, if someone ambushed them, likely their guns wouldn't have helped.

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Nothing is guaranteed, Naran.

The broader implication of self defense training is the resultant view of the world and the people in it and yourself that improves, not only your own chances of surviving a crisis, but also improves the chances that you can help other people when help is needed.

Does anyone believe the gov't schools prepare children for reality?

Or do they prepare children for the hallucinations swimming in the noggins of Scholastic Mandarins?

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JIMV has it right all firearms are prohibited from National Parks. (Guess the perp or perps didn't follow that law or God's law)

NRA recently had several articles trying to reverse this violation of basic human rights by the Park Service and the creation of a non-defense zone brought to you by govmint.

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Criminals don't obey firearms rules...or any other!

When camping, esp. wilderness camping you really have only one form of protection these days....and that's the cell phone. Police, Rangers, etc. are a long way from you.

The chances of getting robbed at a mall or getting car jacked are far greater than having a violent crime in especially a national park! Baxter is extremely well patrolled, btw.

Go carry a gun; but a violent criminal will always have the edge and get the jump on you. You might even get shot just for the gun.

Camp or hike in a group, th elarger th ebetter; and read the reports on trail bandits. take emergency cell phone numbers with you, and camp away from regular camp sites---against the rules, but it's my safety.

If you camp in the West in Forest lands, people carry openly and some are very well armed.

The media is just looking for another alarmist story on a dull day!

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