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From: Dennis Bailey
Oct. 10, 2008
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LAS VEGAS DOUBLES DOWN: CASINO BACKERS SPEND $500K IN TWO WEEKS

PORTLAND – Not a single Mainer has contributed to the campaign for a Las Vegas casino in Oxford, the latest campaign finance reports reveal.

The spending reports by the casino proponents show that Las Vegas-based Olympia Gaming is the sole contributor to the campaign to put a casino in the town of Oxford, spending more than half-a-million dollars in just 14 days on television, radio and newspaper advertising.

“Their signs say ‘Yes on 2 for Maine,’ but they should say ‘Yes on 2 for Vegas’,” said Dennis Bailey, executive director of CasinosNO!, the grassroots organization opposed to the expansion of casino gambling in Maine. “Clearly, Las Vegas has everything to gain from Question 2, and Maine people have everything to lose.”

The Las Vegas corporation has spent nearly $40,000 a day on consultant fees, advertising and other expenses since announcing their interest in the Oxford referendum. Besides television and newspaper advertising, the campaign reported spending nearly $160,000 with CDM Communications, an advertising agency in Portland. Their full PAC report is [url=http://www.mainecampaignfinance.com/netCrystalReports/PACCombinedReport.....

In contrast, CasinosNO! reported raising $77,700, all of it from Maine residents, and no spending on advertising. The full report is [url=http://www.mainecampaignfinance.com/netCrystalReports/PACCombinedReport.....

“So which campaign is really for Maine,” Bailey asked. “It’s important to remember that casinos aren’t built from the money of winners, they’re built from the money of losers. Las Vegas is here to make losers of us all, and that’s why we need to vote no on Question 2.”

CONTACT: Dennis Bailey, 207-749-4963

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Does anybody believe for one, solitary second that Dennis the Menace wouldn't be working just as ardently for Vegas, had they asked for his dance card?

I'm not saying that I'm in favor of a casino, but puh-leeze. The "It's About REAL Mainers" stuff is nothing but Shinola.

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mainetoday.com
MAINE VOICES Oxford casino will help state's economy
What could be wrong with creating 800 jobs and bringing lots of money to a rural region?
PAT LaMARCHE October 12, 2008

In rural Maine, though, a lot hasn't changed – like our continuing job losses and deepening poverty. Last week's editorial sounded like a "yes" vote on Question 2 was about legalizing gambling in Maine. It's not.

Gambling is already legal in Maine. And Mainers already gamble. They spend $150 million on lottery tickets every year; they play slot machines; they go online and play any game imaginable.

http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/story.php?id=215174&ac=PHedi

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I have no problem with gambling, I buy megabucks tickets, participate in the football pools, and play poker from time to time. I do have a problem with this proposal though. It grants a state wide 10 year monopoly to Olympia Gaming if I understand it correctly. To the exclusion of the Indian tribes who've twice proposed casinos in maine, which were voted down.

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Your right about Shinola, and it is apparent that "the menace"
does not know it from S###! (for origin of that saying consult any WWII vet.)!

"Real People" heck this is a real Mainer trick for years, getting others to spend
their money on something for us! :)

I too disagree with the 10 year monopoly, it will interfer with the "Mt. Kineo
Causeway and Casino Resort " project I have in mind!

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Exactly Charlie.

This is a a BAD referendum. Vote NO.

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Remember "Clean Elections" " Term limits" these were bad refs. too but they are
sanctified voices of "the people"! If Casino passes it to should become so also!!!

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That's why this referendum should be defeated.

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But if there is some viability in the idea couldn't the leg. fix some
of the issues and a project move forward.

My last trip through Oxford I made note that I needed an anti-depressent
during and after the visit. Somehow it is hard to believe that a project like
this wouldn't be a benefit.

Here again have we reached a point where the alternatives to this type of
endeavor aren't happening?

What instead is still an unanswered question.

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Forget it Bruce...Those aren't the "right jobs for Maine"...And don't expect an answer as to what exactly are "the right jobs for Maine" ...It's kinda like "the quality of place" crap...Whatever the hell that means....We live in a state full of elitist nanny types on both sides of the aisle who think they know whats best for us and I don't see things changing anytime soon...No matter what the proposal, Plum Creek, casino, LNG, Poland Springs , or even just a stupid store like Walmart for that matter,nothing is ever good enough and is portrayed as destroying our "quality of place" unless of course it's a new school,town office or other government or non-profit building... Maine is pretty much a lost cause.... :roll:

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Earl;
I don't necessarily disagree except Oxford Plains and quality of place
is really an oxymoron! :)

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I am sure most of you pro-casino people will now change your minds and bow down to Dennis "The Menace" since he is advertising on AMG now. :P

It's not my neck of the woods, but I am sick and tired of people saying NO NO NO on every pro-job proposal.

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Why just pro jobs in Oxford County, Lefty? Why a 10 year monopoly for this select group of investors? Why not state wide if job growth is your criteria for supporting this proposal?

charlie

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Charlie's post proves my point exactly...Nothing is EVER good enough and I'm sure the hundreds of jobs created both directly and indirectly are not needed with Maine being flush with all the new jobs created by "The Creative Economy" and our "Quality Of Place"...I gotta a news flash for ya Charlie...Construction workers drive to where the work is so it isn't just an Oxford County thing...I'm sure all the construction workers that have been laid off or are gonna be laid off soon will all find work in art gallaries or pottery shops or perhaps we'll just kick back and ride the wagon for a while...I'm tired of pulling anyway and need a paid vacation ....I thought Hollywood Slots and the Maine Lotto had the monopoly.. :roll: :roll:

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www.boston.com
Maine Indians eye casino vote
October 14, 2008

PORTLAND, Maine—Maine's Indian tribes are watching the Oxford casino referendum campaign with a great deal of interest, but they're staying on the sidelines as voters make up their minds.

The tribes have seen their own proposals to develop resort-casinos go down at the polls, once in 2003 and again last year. A Passamaquoddy Tribe leader, Donald Soctomah, says the tribes are frustrated but they're not giving up on their dream of having a casino in the state.

[url=http://www.boston.com/news/local/maine/articles/2008/10/14/maine_indians...

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From: CasinosNO!
Subject: OPPOSITION TO OXFORD CASINO GROWING
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008

On a day when local opponents of a proposed gambling casino in the town of Oxford are planning a news conference, the Sun Journal published an article concerning the Paris selectmen who failed to vote last night in favor of a motion supporting the casino. Two of the selectmen spoke out against the casino:

lsj.com
No vote on casino in Paris

By M. Dirk Langeveld , Staff Writer
Wednesday, October 15, 2008

PARIS - A vote of support for the proposed Oxford casino resort by Paris selectmen didn't materialize Monday after a motion endorsing the plan couldn't hold a second.

[url=http://www.sunjournal.com/story/287285-3/OxfordHills/No_vote_on_casino_i... Story[/url]

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Too little, too late...

Oppositition may be building among multi-millionaires, liberal elitists and fascists, but there are not enough of them to defeat this pro-business, pro-prosperity initiative.

The Bailey-Billings alliance is counting on fear, uncertainty and doubt to persuade the regular folks to vote no.

Casinos No is a tool of the Liberal-Fascist coalition. Bailey is their weapon. Lies are his ammo.

Vote Yes for a Casino in Maine. The legislature can correct any deficiencies in the law.

Break the grip of enviro-fascists. Break the grip of moralist, anti-freedom authoritarians.

We want jobs. We want fun. We want a casino in Maine.

Viva Vacationland! Vote Yes!

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[quote="J Fred"] The legislature can correct any deficiencies in the law.

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The legislature could do a lot of things,,,,,,but they won't. :cry:

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[quote="J Fred"]The legislature can correct any deficiencies in the law.
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They can, but will they? Do you really trust the Legislature to do the right thing?

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Trust them ? Only when they can blame it on someone else!

This is a case where they will be able to do that!

I believe Sanford was a better proposal , tribes should get
things changed so they can build on reservation and pay state for that
change.

I fundamentally believe this is a risky private business prospect. But it is
no more a risk than hoping two or three mobile home builders will be
back in business soon or anyother schemes that come out of 38ths. office!

The locals will decide their history of making great deciesons is not strong!
New Hampshire Motor Speedway could have been Maine Motor speedway!

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Ya, right....

there's always some better idea down the road.

Why don't we, again, let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

If we can't trust the legislature to modify the proposal to be consistant with appropriate laws, with what can we trust them?

This is nothing more than the same smoke screen that we always get when someone tries to reverse prohibitions against voluntary human behavior that is deemed immoral by authoritarian fascists.

Let's all cheer for the multi-millionairs who are using government as a club to beat the life out of any competition.

Are there no conservatives left? Have they all become fascists?

Say it ain't so!

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[quote="Editor"]www.boston.com
Maine Indians eye casino vote
October 14, 2008
[url=http://www.boston.com/news/local/maine/articles/2008/10/14/maine_indians...

I saw an article similar to this one yesterday about this on indianz.com. There was an interesting quote from a tribe member about the conundrum the voting on this issue presents. He would like to vote NO because of the 10 year freeze, but at the same time, he wants to vote YES because he felt he shouldn't be voting against something he is supporting for their own development. Interesting perspective.

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Silent partners in casino venture revealed

LEWISTON - The minority investors in the proposed Oxford County casino are said to be longtime casino backers who contributed money or services to the campaign when managed by Rumford attorney Seth Carey.

The minority partners are said to be Carey, former restaurateur Peter Martin of Winslow, Paul Thornton of Long Island (Maine), former legislator Stavros Mendros of Lewiston, lawyer Howard Kanner of Florida and Jay Carrier of Connecticut.

Two others are referendum signature gatherers Mike Breau of Rumford and Jay Taylor of Lewiston, with the remaining share owned by Tony Palmenteri, who was brought to the table by Martin.

[url=http://www.sunjournal.com/story/287715-3/OxfordHills/Silent_no_more/]Sun Journal[/url]

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CONTACT: Dennis Bailey, 207-749-4963
OCT. 18th, 2008
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

MAINE LEGISLATORS IN YES ON 2 AD: “I VOTED AGAINST THE CASINO BEFORE I VOTED FOR IT”

PORTLAND – Two Maine legislators appearing in a television commercial for the Yes on 2 campaign voted against the Oxford County casino bill when it came before their committee last April.

Sen. Deborah Plowman of Bangor and Rep. John Patrick of Rumford appear in the ad pledging to “fix” the many problems in Question 2 “when it passes” on Nov. 4th. “We fixed the racino bill and we can fix Question 2,” the legislators say.

The ad can be viewed here:

But when the bill for the Oxford County casino came before the Legislature’s Legal and Veterans Affairs Committee on which Plowman and Patrick sit, they both voted against it.

“They couldn’t hold their nose and vote for this stinker of a bill when they had it in front of them,” said Dennis Bailey, executive director of CasinosNO!, the grassroots organization opposing Question 2. “Now they’re telling Maine people they should vote for it, but don’t worry, the Legislature will fix it.

“If their actions weren’t so outrageous and irresponsible it would be funny,” Bailey continued. “They’re telling Maine people to vote for a law they know is bad, a law that they themselves didn’t vote for, and gamble that the Maine Legislature can improve it. I don’t think Maine voters will take that bet.”

Bailey noted that while Plowman and Patrick think the law can be changed, other state leaders aren’t so sure. Secretary of State Matt Dunlap told the Portland Press Herald that the Legislature is "extraordinarily reluctant to tinker too much" with legislation that reflects the will of voters. Sen. Lisa Marrache, who also sits on the Legal and Veterans Affairs Committee, said the Oxford casino bill would require “an extreme makeover.”

When the Oxford County casino bill came before the committee last April, legislators had several options for dealing with the citizens initiated bill: they could vote it down and send it to voters in a referendum; they could pass it and then amend it; or they could have voted to place a competing measure on the ballot for a casino without all the problems contained in Question 2.

“They simply voted no and sent it to the voters,” Bailey said. “For some reason the casino bill was beyond repair last April, now they want Maine people to put this bad bill into law.”

Several statements in the ad are also questionable. Plowman says, “Some people have said the language in Question 2 is confusing.”

“Who said it’s confusing,” Bailey asked. “The language is crystal clear. It will lower the legal age to gamble from 21 to 19. It allows 18 year olds to work in the casino dealing cards. It gives Las Vegas a 10-year monopoly on casinos. It puts the president of the casino, a man from Las Vegas, on dozens of boards and commissions that have authority over health care, education and the environment. Nothing confusing about that.”

Plowman also takes credit for “fixing the racino bill,” the 2003 referendum that resulted in Hollywood Slots in Bangor.

“That’s certainly open to interpretation,” Bailey said. “The Legislature added things to the bill, like payouts to off-track-betting parlors, that the voters never approved. The committee was whipsawed by lobbyists representing every corner of the gambling industry. There’s no way to tell what we’d end up with if Question 2 passes.”

CONTACT: Dennis Bailey, 207-749-4963

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Patrick is term limited. He won't be around to "fix" anything.

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lsj.com
Collins campaign tour visits Rumford

By Terry Karkos , Staff Writer
Saturday, October 18, 2008

"I have not taken a position on the casino. I think it's a state and local issue, and that's why I'm not going to express a view."

[url=http://www.sunjournal.com/story/287730-3/RiverValley/Collins_campaign_to...

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She said as much when asked about it during Wednesday's debate, saying it is a state issue - which it is. Allen said that he would likely not be in favor of it.

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I've never been a fan of Maine's Congressional delegation using "state issue" as a reason to not have an opinion. Are Members of Maine's Congressional delegation not Mainers? Do they have no interest in any state issues?

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It's smart politics. Why take a stand on an issue that could cost you votes when you don't have to.

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Exactly, its their job to promote what the state wants to the federal government. They have more than enough time to foist their own beliefs on Maine people when they don't know the true belief of the electorate. When there is a vote coming they should wait and listen.

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